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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by canada_man
what is/was this? ancient remote entry? Came like this when I purchased. Jeep is a 1990 xj wagoneer limited, l6
I don't see any pic. The bug eye lookin thing between the visors is an IR keyless entry sensor if thats what you mean
Old Mar 21, 2013 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 96ss2283
Can someone explain the different functions of the clutch fan and the other electric fan under the hood?
I was told/under the impression that the clutch fan came on when the coil in the end of the clutch heated up from the radiator's heat and then began to turn and helped cool down the engine? radiator? but mine is always on when the car is running. I just replaced it last night and then spent some time watching my in dash temp gauge and the two fans. When the heater is turned on the second electric fan comes on for about 15-30 seconds and then stops; similarly when I turn the heater off. Dash temp gauge will sit around 210 and then run up to just under next has mark just short of first red section and then drop back to 210 or slightly below.
On the other dash gauge my psi will run up to about 55-60 based on hash marks and then drop to under 30 when at an idle or stop light.
Tstat was replaced yesterday as well with mopar oem replacement, about a month ago I did alternator and head gasket.
I do have a cracked exhaust manifold but that is getting fixed next week.

As you can tell by the question, I know little about the 91 XJ I own but am trying hard to muddle through my /heating up/overheating issues.
The clutch fan in these things is never totally disengaged. Somewhere out there I posted the actual numbers, but in a nutshell the clutch is supposed to lock up more just after the thermostat opens, and lock up fully before the electric fan is summoned (218-ish?). If your in-dash gauge is creepin toward red land I'd first make sure that it's accurate by checking with an IR thermometer, then probably just replace that clutch.
Old Mar 21, 2013 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DieselD
Shift gate? What exactly is that?
Thats the piece of stamped metal that provides the pattern for the handle to follow.

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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by salad

Thats the piece of stamped metal that provides the pattern for the handle to follow.
Thanks.

I literally just googled and found the same image. Lol

I have the parts so I'll just swap it out.
Old Mar 21, 2013 | 09:22 AM
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Any recommended brands of frame stiffeners?
Old Mar 21, 2013 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by salad
The clutch fan in these things is never totally disengaged. Somewhere out there I posted the actual numbers, but in a nutshell the clutch is supposed to lock up more just after the thermostat opens, and lock up fully before the electric fan is summoned (218-ish?). If your in-dash gauge is creepin toward red land I'd first make sure that it's accurate by checking with an IR thermometer, then probably just replace that clutch.
OK I'll try that, the clutch fan was replaced yesterday but it was a very new used on from an 87. The 87 had sat for about a year but the one on my 91 was toast.
What about the function and operation of the other fan over to the drivers side of the radiator?

Sheepishly, what is an IR thermometer?
Old Mar 21, 2013 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 96ss2283
OK I'll try that, the clutch fan was replaced yesterday but it was a very new used on from an 87. The 87 had sat for about a year but the one on my 91 was toast.
What about the function and operation of the other fan over to the drivers side of the radiator?

Sheepishly, what is an IR thermometer?
https://www.google.com/search?q=IR+T...hrome&ie=UTF-8
Old Mar 21, 2013 | 09:42 AM
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OK, infrared, where am I testing to compare with my dash gauge?
What specific point am I pointing the infrared thermometer to compare the readings?

gee that google is amazing!
Old Mar 21, 2013 | 09:52 AM
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This is what I'm looking at. Looks like there use to be a display for it.
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 10:04 AM
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Ah, that. That used to be an overhead display.
Old Mar 21, 2013 | 10:10 AM
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Anything else I need for open cooling besides the open rad, hoses, overflow bottle and konooter valve?
Old Mar 21, 2013 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 96ss2283
OK, infrared, where am I testing to compare with my dash gauge?
What specific point am I pointing the infrared thermometer to compare the readings?

gee that google is amazing!
On dem Older Jeeps the in-dash gauge is a separate sensor, but the temp that really matters is the thermostat housing. Point it at that character and see if the thermostat is working properly. The sensor in the thermostat housing is the one the ECU uses to control the fan
Old Mar 21, 2013 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by my89xj
Anything else I need for open cooling besides the open rad, hoses, overflow bottle and konooter valve?
The **** is a konooter?
Old Mar 21, 2013 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by bhennessee1

The **** is a konooter?
Thing all the hoses go too
Old Mar 21, 2013 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by salad
On dem Older Jeeps the in-dash gauge is a separate sensor, but the temp that really matters is the thermostat housing. Point it at that character and see if the thermostat is working properly. The sensor in the thermostat housing is the one the ECU uses to control the fan
Thanks for the straight answer. I just replaced the thermostat on Tuesday with a mopar OEM piece but I will check to compare that reading with the dash gauge. At least I will know what is the real numbers.
Thanks again for the help!



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