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Year: 2000 WJ
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Edit; that means I don't know. lol
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From: Abysmo, NJ
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Model: Cherokee
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I think these are GM/Saginaw recirculating-ball power steering boxes, a holdover from AMC which used Saginaw steering gear in all their vehicles from the mid-1960s on.
There's a spec, or at least a rule of thumb, for how much freeplay these are supposed to have. I'm most familiar with the 1960s-1970s vintage steering boxes, I think on those a total of 1" (1/2" in either direction from center) maximum freeplay was permitted. Probably tighter on the newer steering boxes. Still, these are not like what you get in modern cars with rack-and-peanut steering where there's zero lash.
The adjustment procedure on these in brief was to remove the pitman arm, then set the preload on the thrust bearing. The adjustment for this is on the front of the box (inline with the steering column) and you use a pull scale to set the initial amount of steering effort to spec. Then you adjust the sector shaft to get the final steering effort into spec. At that point if nothing is worn, freeplay should also be within specification.
The newest Saginaw box I have service information for readily at hand is from my old AMC Eagle's factory service manual. It's probably close to what's in the XJ. Aside from the worm gear and pitman shaft preload specs it contains the following warnings:
"Caution: Gears must be adjusted exactly as outlined in Steering Gear Adjustment. Failure to adhere to the recommended procedures may result in gear damage or improper steering response. ... Because of the complexity involved in adjusting worm bearing preload and pitman shaft overcenter drag torque plus the friction effect produced by hydraulic fluid, the power steering gear must be adjusted off the automobile only."
Of course it's best to check the procedure specified in the service manual for your year XJ.
There's a spec, or at least a rule of thumb, for how much freeplay these are supposed to have. I'm most familiar with the 1960s-1970s vintage steering boxes, I think on those a total of 1" (1/2" in either direction from center) maximum freeplay was permitted. Probably tighter on the newer steering boxes. Still, these are not like what you get in modern cars with rack-and-peanut steering where there's zero lash.
The adjustment procedure on these in brief was to remove the pitman arm, then set the preload on the thrust bearing. The adjustment for this is on the front of the box (inline with the steering column) and you use a pull scale to set the initial amount of steering effort to spec. Then you adjust the sector shaft to get the final steering effort into spec. At that point if nothing is worn, freeplay should also be within specification.
The newest Saginaw box I have service information for readily at hand is from my old AMC Eagle's factory service manual. It's probably close to what's in the XJ. Aside from the worm gear and pitman shaft preload specs it contains the following warnings:
"Caution: Gears must be adjusted exactly as outlined in Steering Gear Adjustment. Failure to adhere to the recommended procedures may result in gear damage or improper steering response. ... Because of the complexity involved in adjusting worm bearing preload and pitman shaft overcenter drag torque plus the friction effect produced by hydraulic fluid, the power steering gear must be adjusted off the automobile only."
Of course it's best to check the procedure specified in the service manual for your year XJ.
Last edited by Rambler65; Jan 29, 2016 at 01:56 PM.
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Year: 2000 WJ
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^Thank You for posting that info. Complicated and involved with possibility of dangerous consequences, that is why I always advise against it.
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I will admit that in the past I and others I knew would tweak the pitman shaft adjuster at the top of these boxes to get some of the slop out. Bad idea, but invariably this was done on an old $50 junker (yes, you could get a running car for that much!) on its last legs to get a little more time out of it on its way to the junkyard. But really the adjustments on these steering boxes are finicky and shouldn't be messed on a vehicle you want to keep and use on a regular basis unless you're going to do the factory-specified procedure.
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Year: 2000 WJ
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Rambler65, perhaps you could offer some advise.
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From: Abysmo, NJ
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About all I can think of is if it's known how much the adjustment was moved, put it back as close to the way it was originally as possible. If it's a new or rebuilt box it should have been set up properly at the factory.
First time post, didn't have no luck with the searches, I have a rusty 2000 xj 4 door, 6cly. a/t, 231 transfer case, with a hack & tap. mild lift, 8.25 rear axle. I picked up a 94 xj 2 dr. no rust, 6 cyl. a/t 231 transfer case, dana 35 axle. I want to swap transfer case, drive shaft, axles, springs. I see no problems swapping axles. my question is will the transfer cases bolt up to the transmissions? will the speed o meters plug and play? I'd like to do a complete swap truck to truck so I can sell the 2000. Thanks Bruiser
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That's quite possible, rebuilt parts run the gamut from "like new" to "junk."
Back in the day with the older steering boxes the rule of thumb we used is that if the box was turning free with no binding the adjustment at least wasn't going to trash anything internally. I don't know if that's really the case or not. But if the OP is satisfied with the way it's set up now and there's no obvious issues maybe it would be best just to leave it the way it is. The only way to really be sure would be to pull the steering box off the vehicle and go through the entire adjustment procedure.
Back in the day with the older steering boxes the rule of thumb we used is that if the box was turning free with no binding the adjustment at least wasn't going to trash anything internally. I don't know if that's really the case or not. But if the OP is satisfied with the way it's set up now and there's no obvious issues maybe it would be best just to leave it the way it is. The only way to really be sure would be to pull the steering box off the vehicle and go through the entire adjustment procedure.
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So, I basically replaced/ fixed all steering components including a remanufactured steering gear box. But I still have play in the steering and it's all in the steering box, I can turn the steering column bar a little and the pitman arm doesn't move, I adjusted the bolt on top of the steering box and it helped a lot but there is still some play in the box. Should I keep adjusting it till there is no play in the steering, I don't wanna blow up this new box. I got it about 5-6 months ago and I'm guessing it loosened up after being broken in or something. Are these jeep steering boxes suppose to just naturally be kind of loose like that or do I just need to further adjust it tighter? Thanks.




