I am sorry, but no, a Patriot will most definately NOT beat a stock XJ on the trails; durability wise, suspension wise, power, drivetrain, approch, departure, transfer case..sorry that is a bunch of BS, driven stock in most of Moab, spotted stock in most of Moab. My XJ has been stock for the 5 years I have owned it, and I have found many reasons to not rush to get a lift (besides a budget)...ever hear that thing "it's the driver, not the car"?

I do agree on the statement made about people needing to focus on their driving and not having "tools to help you drive"

I will also join in keying this new "Cherokee"

(I miss AMC)

 

looks alot like my friends new hyundai tuscon. based on the dodge dart (glorified neon)? what the hell? i like jeep cuz they are have their own style. bring back the j-10 comanchee and wagoneers!

 

What we need to do is find a millionaire somewhere that is willing to buy the XJ design from Jeep and open up production lines to start producing it again.

 

Wow that thing looks like Chrysler took a huge stinky crap on it !!

 

Chrysler did that to every Jeep to date

 

That is just sad, Fiat needs to quit coming up with these stupid ideas

 

Can some one post a pic of it I have not seen it yet

 

Just go to the very frist post

 

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Sorry to bust anyones bubble, but i just bought my wife a 2012 pattiot 4x4.. And had to pull my xj out with it yesterday. Thing is actually pretty damn solid.

 

Thought id share

 

^ From Chrysler or from an actual owner?

 

Answer: they didn't! Look at the death rates in old cars. Then adjust for population growth...it is rather alarming how many died in older cars.

 

I highly doubt that would make it 1/4 mile in the trails around here you would have to walk once you came to the 2' tall ledges to get to the rock garden. At the first section of the trail. But kudos for getting it out off the pavement.

 

I hope you guys are keeping up bombing the Jeep FB page and YouTube videos with our thoughts...they still have me blocked from commenting, even though I never said anything profane or ill-willed.