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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 04:42 PM
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well iv heard about it and been doing some reasearch and im hoping some1 could fill in my blanks and comfirm my findings.

regular d44s (waggy, j trucks, commandos) have 8.5" ring gear and 30 spline shafts, right?

tj and jk d44s hav a "real" d44 center and "real d44 or beefed internals, and d30 outers that make it undesirable to many, right?

now questions:
like the waggy d44s is it a lp or is it a hp?

i found on another site that the tube diameter on the mj d44s, chero tow pkg d44s and the waggy d44 front and rears is 2.75"... they did not say it that is inside or outer diameter but im guessing inner?

what is the axle width difference with cherokee and waggy axles? interested in if parts could be swapped from a waggy d44 to one of these south american xj d44s

also the carrier break on the waggy, mj, and chero tow pkg i found is 3.73down and 3.92up (right?). would an aftermarket carrier for 1 of these d44s work on a south american xj 44?




p.s. i also read that these are just the same as the tj and jk d44s.... that would realy suck... even if thats true i would like as many questions answered plz and thx
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by diego94
well iv heard about it and been doing some reasearch and im hoping some1 could fill in my blanks and comfirm my findings.

I'll try

regular d44s (waggy, j trucks, commandos) have 8.5" ring gear and 30 spline shafts, right?

Correct

tj and jk d44s hav a "real" d44 center and "real d44 or beefed internals, and d30 outers that make it undesirable to many, right?

Correct

now questions:
like the waggy d44s is it a lp or is it a hp?

The Waggy 44 or the mythological front XJ 44? Who knows. Probably low pinion.

i found on another site that the tube diameter on the mj d44s, chero tow pkg d44s and the waggy d44 front and rears is 2.75"... they did not say it that is inside or outer diameter but im guessing inner?

Tubes are usually measured by the OD. Tube thickness varies.

what is the axle width difference with cherokee and waggy axles? interested in if parts could be swapped from a waggy d44 to one of these south american xj d44s

Grand Wagoneer 89 (F) Dana 44 61.5"
'84-87, 93 up Cherokee XJ 58"



also the carrier break on the waggy, mj, and chero tow pkg i found is 3.73down and 3.92up (right?). would an aftermarket carrier for 1 of these d44s work on a south american xj 44?

Theoretically, the center section of any 44 would be the same as any other assuming HP or LP match.





p.s. i also read that these are just the same as the tj and jk d44s.... that would realy suck... even if thats true i would like as many questions answered plz and thx
Basically, you're never going to find one so just build a Waggy 44.
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 05:06 PM
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in not very bent on finding 1 it just sparked my interest and i wanted to know more after i couldnt get farther than wut i already have.. still interested in any and all relivant info

thx those answers do help
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 09:16 PM
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The XJ 44 front does exist (per Dana,) and it's D44 in and out, knuckle-to-knuclke.

It was done as a "tax-beaing" measure - by putting 44s front & back, it could be sold as a "work truck" instead of a "passenger vehicle," which put it into a lower sales tax bracket and made it cheaper to register.

This was uncommon - but happened - in the South American market, primarily (Venezuela and Brazil, primarily.)
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 09:35 PM
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hhhmmm another thought came to me, were they renix or chrysler era jeeps, what years could 1 be found in.?.

i have also fund that there were or still are factorys in venezuela, argintina and columbia where it could possibly also be found
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 5-90
The XJ 44 front does exist (per Dana,) and it's D44 in and out, knuckle-to-knuclke.

It was done as a "tax-beaing" measure - by putting 44s front & back, it could be sold as a "work truck" instead of a "passenger vehicle," which put it into a lower sales tax bracket and made it cheaper to register.

This was uncommon - but happened - in the South American market, primarily (Venezuela and Brazil, primarily.)
omg you are saying that the mythical supremacy does excist but also is wut we dream it to be instead of what chrysler passes for a d44 today!!!
trying to imagine it im thinking of a bolt on version of the lp waggy d44 with proper width, if you can clarify and give ay specs you can thx
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 10:36 PM
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it cant be THAT hard to get a hold of a south american xj44, of course it will be pricey. why cant you order one from jeep, or dana for that matter. like buying a crate motor, will cost an arm and a leg though
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 11:08 PM
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it cant be THAT hard to get a hold of a south american xj44, of course it will be pricey. why cant you order one from jeep, or dana for that matter. like buying a crate motor, will cost an arm and a leg though
not sure how intested i am, sure if its a true d44 every1 will go nuts but if its low pinion there is no longer any hype and it would be prob better and mabey cheeper to just fab up a waggy axle but im interest is still sparking so i just sent an e-mail to dana holding corp

disapointingly they sent this
"Thank you for your interest in Dana products.

You will be contacted by phone or e-mail in 2 to 3 working days."

2-3 work days, i cant wait
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 11:21 PM
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so youre tellin me that the d44's on tj's and jk's front and rear have the same tubes and knuckles as the d30's? only the pigs are bigger for the lower gears? and i imagine the shafts are thicker?
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