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Old 06-08-2019, 11:54 AM
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I haven't installed the LED side markers yet. That must be the problem. Makes sense. If that fixes it I will reply here so other people can see.
That should take care of it.
I have another question.
What is the connector look like on your overhead dome?
Cause I am wondering if somehow you could install on of the ones with the map lights.
Of the connector is different that means there is a whole different harness up there.
I am guessing it is.
Also going to guess how your dome light attaches is different then the map light one.
Map light attached to a bracket that is riveted to the roof.
But can be swapped out because I had to change the bracket when I put an overhead console in my Jeep.
Now there is another idea. An overhead console. Lots of lights in those.
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Because the LED's use so much less power, they don't use enough to keep the relay's pulled in. Therefore you need to add a current increasing resistor or an LED compatible relay, if there is such a thing for what you are doing.
I hate to differ, BUT the lamp load has nothing to do with pulling in the relays. The relay coil circuits are independent of the circuit it's activating. A relay will activate with NO load on the output. I replaced my reverse lights and my tail&stop lights with LEDs and left my turn signals the standard 3157s. The reverse lights I used were 550 lumen bulbs and boy, do they light up the world! I used LEDs for my cluster and heater illumination and they are nice and bright, not like the original puny ones. If you get into replacing the warning lights, it would be best if each one was the color of the lens. In my WJ, the CEL was burnt out because it has been on so long because of a P0740 code (Like 5 years!). All I had to replace it with was an cool white LED. It was way too bright, so I swapped the one from the "check gauges" light because That one Should be bright! The red is sortof washed out in the center because of the white light.

The map lights are 194s, just like the side marker lights. The dome light is a tube with contacts on the ends. I believe the cargo light is also. If your overhead console has lighted pushbuttons, there is no replacement for those because I've tried to find replacements for them. The originals are tiny peanut bulbs that are glued into their sockets and cost about $7 each from the dealer. They don't stock them, they have to be ordered, and when I went looking for mine, there were only 4 in stock at a dealer on the west coast! So I perused the junkyards and got 5, only 2 of which worked, and one burnt out 3 days later. See picture above. For some reason it loaded before my text, not after like I planned.

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The map lights are 194s, just like the side marker lights. The dome light is a tube with contacts on the ends. I believe the cargo light is also. If your overhead console has lighted pushbuttons, there is no replacement for those because I've tried to find replacements for them. The originals are tiny peanut bulbs that are glued into their sockets and cost about $7 each from the dealer. They don't stock them, they have to be ordered, and when I went looking for mine, there were only 4 in stock at a dealer on the west coast! So I perused the junkyards and got 5, only 2 of which worked, and one burnt out 3 days later.
I am a little confused. Are saying that you could not find bulbs for your overhead console?
Or are you saying you could not find LED bulbs for your overhead console?
Or both?
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I could not find LEDs for those peanut bulbs. All the ones I saw online were too big. I bought a couple from superbright that I thought I could get to fit the original sockets, but I destroyed the sockets trying to get the original bulbs out. Then I decided to go to the dealer to get originals, only to find out they didn't make them anymore and there were only 4 in stock on the west coast. It seems the newer consoles are lighted by a membrane light like the shifter in my 2000 WJ.

It's only the damned lighted pushbuttons that are the problem! There are 4 buttons lighted by 2 bulbs; C/T, Reset, Step, Menu. This one is programmed in 5 languages! The fancy ones have a garage door opener in them, then they have 4 bulbs.

THIS CONSOLE IS IN MY WJ!

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I could not find LEDs for those peanut bulbs. All the ones I saw online were too big. I bought a couple from superbright that I thought I could get to fit the original sockets, but I destroyed the sockets trying to get the original bulbs out. Then I decided to go to the dealer to get originals, only to find out they didn't make them anymore and there were only 4 in stock on the west coast. It seems the newer consoles are lighted by a membrane light like the shifter in my 2000 WJ.
For the LED's in an overhead console and all the other lights in an '00. This is what I run.

http://www.onewaylight.com/1984-2001...ior-light-set/

As far as regular ones go I would have to go look at my originals but I want to say you can find them here. Scroll down through the page.

https://www.napaonline.com/en/search...plication=true
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Nope. Don't see anything that looks like my picture.
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Nope. Don't see anything that looks like my picture.
Wait a minute you own a Grand Cherokee?
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Originally Posted by Ralph77
That should take care of it.
I have another question.
What is the connector look like on your overhead dome?
Cause I am wondering if somehow you could install on of the ones with the map lights.
Of the connector is different that means there is a whole different harness up there.
I am guessing it is.
Also going to guess how your dome light attaches is different then the map light one.
Map light attached to a bracket that is riveted to the roof.
But can be swapped out because I had to change the bracket when I put an overhead console in my Jeep.
Now there is another idea. An overhead console. Lots of lights in those.
The whole assembly is held up by the bezel and the lens. The headliner sandwiches between them. The lens has a tab on one side that goes through the bezel and behind the headliner. The other end has two shorter tabs which is how it dislodges. It's actually really annoying because sometimes the whole assembly falls down because the edges of the headliner are getting older and aren't as sturdy as they once were. The dome light isn't fixed, as in screwed, to anything. This is actually a problem I need to handle. It's something that some kind of double-sided adhesive would probably take care of though. Going to fix that after I get one of those 48 LED panels with the adaptor to put inside of the assembly.

I'm going to have to look and see if there is a bracket up there. I don't think there is, but I should look again with the sole purpose of identifying it. I had another XJ like 15 years ago, but I can't remember how that one was held up. I've never tried to track the wire back far because every time I fool with it I have flakes of that foam dusting me in the face so I just put it back up right away. When I goto the junkyard I am probably going to examine the others there and see how they are oriented and what I can do. The dome light stays up most of the time, but there has been once where it just fell down while I was driving due to getting dislodged from driving vibration.
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The whole assembly is held up by the bezel and the lens. The headliner sandwiches between them. The lens has a tab on one side that goes through the bezel and behind the headliner. The other end has two shorter tabs which is how it dislodges. It's actually really annoying because sometimes the whole assembly falls down because the edges of the headliner are getting older and aren't as sturdy as they once were. The dome light isn't fixed, as in screwed, to anything. This is actually a problem I need to handle. It's something that some kind of double-sided adhesive would probably take care of though. Going to fix that after I get one of those 48 LED panels with the adaptor to put inside of the assembly.

I'm going to have to look and see if there is a bracket up there. I don't think there is, but I should look again with the sole purpose of identifying it. I had another XJ like 15 years ago, but I can't remember how that one was held up. I've never tried to track the wire back far because every time I fool with it I have flakes of that foam dusting me in the face so I just put it back up right away. When I goto the junkyard I am probably going to examine the others there and see how they are oriented and what I can do. The dome light stays up most of the time, but there has been once where it just fell down while I was driving due to getting dislodged from driving vibration.
At some point take a picture of the connector to the dome light. Curious to see if it is like the connector in a normal dome light with map lights in most XJ's
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The dome light in my 2000 XJ has map lights on each side of it that are press-on-the-lens to turn on. You pry off the main lens and there are 2 screws that hold it to the bracket. Remove the screws, then slide it rearward (or forward, can't remember) and it comes down. There's a tiny 3-wire plug for the light assembly and a gang plug for the keyless entry receiver. The tiny plug has one wire hot all the time, one hot with a door open, and a ground.

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Originally Posted by dave1123
The dome light in my 2000 XJ has map lights on each side of it that are press-on-the-lens to turn on. You pry off the main lens and there are 2 screws that hold it to the bracket. Remove the screws, then slide it rearward (or forward, can't remember) and it comes down. There's a tiny 3-wire plug for the light assembly and a gang plug for the keyless entry receiver. The tiny plug has one wire hot all the time, one hot with a door open, and a ground.

Yes Ralph, I own one of each, both the same year. Note my signature.
So the lights at the onewaylight site, there interior kit, fit in an '00 XJ. All LED's and work great IMO. When I purchased them I still had my dome light in my Jeep. But had everything I need for an overhead console install. So I contacted them and asked if they would sell me the dome light kit and the few bulbs I would need for the overhead console so I would have them when I finally got around to the install. As far as regular bulbs go I have to assume we sell them at the Napa. But.... I am going to dig up the regular bulbs from my overhead console, cause I don't throw anything out, and see if I can find a match. In my store that is how it works for bulbs. People walk in and say I need one of this. One of the guys just go over to the bin and keep opening drawers till they find it. I never see them actually look it up in the computer. LOL.
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I hate to differ, BUT the lamp load has nothing to do with pulling in the relays. The relay coil circuits are independent of the circuit it's activating. A relay will activate with NO load on the output..

Absolutely right. I think where people get confused is with the old-fashioned flasher units, which are thermally activated. LEDs won't pull enough current to get them hot enough to break contact, so they don't flash. So, flasher units have to be replaced with new models which are timer based, not current-activated.
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Once upon a time.....I was given a flasher by a truck driving friend that was motor activated. There was a small electric motor in it and it would drive ANY number of bulbs at the same rate. I've never seen one like that since. I guess you'd need something like that to run lights on multiple trailers.
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Cool! I had never heard of that before!
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