No more Renix talk
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Year: 90,84
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HA! I type so slow, once again a bunch came in while I was pecking away.
So Salad. I sold a spice rack! Shipping to Canada would have been over $30 Wtf? The sale kind of matters. Took allot of work to repair the dozer to yard the trees I cut up to the portable wood-miser mill, then season the lumber, build the shop, then design and make the thing. http://www.ebay.com/itm/150957453287...84.m1559.l2649
I'm 23.50 ahead though!
So Salad. I sold a spice rack! Shipping to Canada would have been over $30 Wtf? The sale kind of matters. Took allot of work to repair the dozer to yard the trees I cut up to the portable wood-miser mill, then season the lumber, build the shop, then design and make the thing. http://www.ebay.com/itm/150957453287...84.m1559.l2649
I'm 23.50 ahead though!
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From: Parham, ON
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L OBD-II
HA! I type so slow, once again a bunch came in while I was pecking away.
So Salad. I sold a spice rack! Shipping to Canada would have been over $30 Wtf? The sale kind of matters. Took allot of work to repair the dozer to yard the trees I cut up to the portable wood-miser mill, then season the lumber, build the shop, then design and make the thing. http://www.ebay.com/itm/150957453287...84.m1559.l2649
I'm 23.50 ahead though!
So Salad. I sold a spice rack! Shipping to Canada would have been over $30 Wtf? The sale kind of matters. Took allot of work to repair the dozer to yard the trees I cut up to the portable wood-miser mill, then season the lumber, build the shop, then design and make the thing. http://www.ebay.com/itm/150957453287...84.m1559.l2649
I'm 23.50 ahead though!
I never knew about that sensor or the auto timing advancement, thanks for that info sir, makes me love my renix rig even more! I think the most entertaining thing about having a renix rig is smog testing it in California, you pretty much have to do the techs jobs for them and baby sit them
, (not like I don't already do that anyways, with my old lady shaking her head and snickering).
This also has to be one of the most entertaining threads on here in a while
, (not like I don't already do that anyways, with my old lady shaking her head and snickering). This also has to be one of the most entertaining threads on here in a while

And if one more "tech" stalls out my clutch on the rollers, I'm going to stuff him up his own ***** - after he changes my clutch! Whoever heard of a mechanic who can't handle a stick? It's not like my clutch is difficult...
I think I'll convert it to AWD, if I get a chance...
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From: Nor-Cal Coast
Year: 90,84
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I never knew about that sensor or the auto timing advancement, thanks for that info sir, makes me love my renix rig even more! I think the most entertaining thing about having a renix rig is smog testing it in California, you pretty much have to do the techs jobs for them and baby sit them
, (not like I don't already do that anyways, with my old lady shaking her head and snickering).
This also has to be one of the most entertaining threads on here in a while
, (not like I don't already do that anyways, with my old lady shaking her head and snickering). This also has to be one of the most entertaining threads on here in a while

Down on the left side of the block, forward of the CTS I think.
Last edited by DFlintstone; Dec 10, 2012 at 12:27 AM.
I have yet to try it, but read it can be tested by actually rapping near it with metal and listening for a change in the engine. Anyone who has twisted a disrtibutor would know what retarding sounds like. Anyway it's not good. Labored, muffled, unhappy. A loose rattleing bracket somewhere can trick that sensor into retarding your timing, as well as the 'pinging, or 'pre-detonation" it was designed for.
Down on the left side of the block, forward of the CTS I think.
Down on the left side of the block, forward of the CTS I think.
A decent bit of metal (steel, brass, whatever - just not lead, it does need to be fairly hard) tapped against the block near the sensor should cause a noticeable effect. If it does not, either the sensor is shot or there's a wiring fault.
The knock sensor is the only one that is "along for the ride" - it only generates a signal when something goes wrong. Also, if you examine the wiring harness, you'll see the wires wrapped as a pair in metal foil - this is important! It is there to shield the signals wires against "crosstalk" from other circuits, which would cause false signals to be generated.
RENIX will run just fine without the knock sensor, it just won't know if there's spark knock, and therefor won't adjust timing to get rid of it.
After 1990, the boss was still present on the block (in most cases,) but went umachined. If you try to throw an HO block into a RENIX application, simply drill & tap that boss M10-1.5 for the knock sensor - try to not go through! The knock sensor merely requires a solid mechanical connection, it doesn't need oil.
For the knock test, it's usually easier to reach up from underneath. Since your ear is the primary sensor used for this test, you merely need to be where you can hear the engine run. Under it will serve.
Caracticus Potts The Mod
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From: Hainsville, NJ
Model: Grand Cherokee
Yes, OBD-I sucks. There were barely standards it had to meet, there were no standards for widespread implementation (so every manufacturer had their own thing, and I have three OBD-I interrogators to my one OBD-II,) and half of the time OBD-I threw a code at me, it was wrong (probably one time it ten it was way wrong.
I'm also too used to doing my own thinking anyhow. Cut my teeth on old Delco stuff - pre-HEI - on old F-bodies and Corvettes...
I'm also too used to doing my own thinking anyhow. Cut my teeth on old Delco stuff - pre-HEI - on old F-bodies and Corvettes...
Over the years I must have collected over 200 different data link connectors and software components just to watch them sink off in despair as OBD II began to rise from the depths of the Auto Manufacturers around the world. Truth is, the reason every manufacturer had their own was because up until the Government stepped in around 1992 and decided that "ALL" vehicles in the US have uniformed and understandable data formats by 1996....which in turn would allow for tighter Smog/Emissions Control as well.
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From: Hainsville, NJ
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On a side note....BMW is leading the way with 1,178 individual check engine codes! When you pull a CEL code on the 2012 BMW it will direct to the exact cause of the problem..............won't be needing any mechanics long after this, just part changers.
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Yeah. I've got to take my FSM in, and I'm tired of being "profiled" as a "gross polluter," when there vehicles 10-15 years newer that actually do worse on emissions (per conversations with CARB, WRT my specific vehicle.)
And if one more "tech" stalls out my clutch on the rollers, I'm going to stuff him up his own ***** - after he changes my clutch! Whoever heard of a mechanic who can't handle a stick? It's not like my clutch is difficult...
I think I'll convert it to AWD, if I get a chance...
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Year: 1990
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
I think of Renix as OBD-0. They're fairly predictable and at the dealership, we learned their nuances. The original scan tool, if you could call it that, was a real POS. The MS1700.
Tough times back then. Crappo diagnostic tools, new technology, and more discriminating customers.
I remember the people whining about fuel pump noise before ballast resistors, AC droning noise before the muffler in the hose, intermittent high-revving at start-up, front diffs not engaging because of vacuum harness issues or bent shift collars, of course only on snow days, camber issues because the front axle housings were jigged wrong at the supplier, liftgate harnesses failing, exhaust pipes grounding out on trans crossmembers because they were made incorrectly, etc. And that's with only half a cup of coffee in me and not looking at notes or TSBs.
Still, I grew to appreciate Renix over the years and got used to them like an old friend.
Tough times back then. Crappo diagnostic tools, new technology, and more discriminating customers.
I remember the people whining about fuel pump noise before ballast resistors, AC droning noise before the muffler in the hose, intermittent high-revving at start-up, front diffs not engaging because of vacuum harness issues or bent shift collars, of course only on snow days, camber issues because the front axle housings were jigged wrong at the supplier, liftgate harnesses failing, exhaust pipes grounding out on trans crossmembers because they were made incorrectly, etc. And that's with only half a cup of coffee in me and not looking at notes or TSBs.
Still, I grew to appreciate Renix over the years and got used to them like an old friend.
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Year: 1990
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
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And for you new folks seeing this thread, here's a list of the write-ups I've done or accumulated addressing the nuances of the Renix Jeeps. If you click on the link in my signature, you will find the write-ups and the post number will correlate with the number on the outline. All cheap and easy stuff, listed somewhat in order of importance.
Revised 11-02-2012
* means instructions have been written.
1-Ground refreshing*
2-C101 connector refreshing**
3-Connector and relay/receptacle refreshing*
4-Coil/ICM contacts*
5-Checking sensor grounds*
6-Sensor ground upgrade**
7-CPS testing and adjusting*
8-TPS testing and adjusting*
9-ECU connector refreshing*
10-Trans plug connector refreshing*
11-Throttle body and IAC cleaning*
12-Setting your 4.0 to #1 TDC*
13-Renix Distributor indexing**
14-Restoring throttle butterfly adjustment*
15-Rear main seal diagnosis*
16-Vacuum test for exhaust restriction*
17-HO engine into Renix*
18-Improving the instrument panel ground*
19-Headlight harness installation*
20-4WD shifting tips*
21- Renix EGR valve test*
22- Renix vacuum harnesses**
23- CPS timing advance mod*
24-4.0 Engine date codes*
25-Valve cover mod*
26- Snugging up intake manifold bolts
27- CPS wiring bypass
28- Setting base idle
29- Renix O2 sensor diagnostics
Revised 11-02-2012
* means instructions have been written.
1-Ground refreshing*
2-C101 connector refreshing**
3-Connector and relay/receptacle refreshing*
4-Coil/ICM contacts*
5-Checking sensor grounds*
6-Sensor ground upgrade**
7-CPS testing and adjusting*
8-TPS testing and adjusting*
9-ECU connector refreshing*
10-Trans plug connector refreshing*
11-Throttle body and IAC cleaning*
12-Setting your 4.0 to #1 TDC*
13-Renix Distributor indexing**
14-Restoring throttle butterfly adjustment*
15-Rear main seal diagnosis*
16-Vacuum test for exhaust restriction*
17-HO engine into Renix*
18-Improving the instrument panel ground*
19-Headlight harness installation*
20-4WD shifting tips*
21- Renix EGR valve test*
22- Renix vacuum harnesses**
23- CPS timing advance mod*
24-4.0 Engine date codes*
25-Valve cover mod*
26- Snugging up intake manifold bolts
27- CPS wiring bypass
28- Setting base idle
29- Renix O2 sensor diagnostics
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Year: 1990
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 renix 6!
And for you new folks seeing this thread, here's a list of the write-ups I've done or accumulated addressing the nuances of the Renix Jeeps. If you click on the link in my signature, you will find the write-ups and the post number will correlate with the number on the outline. All cheap and easy stuff, listed somewhat in order of importance.
Revised 11-02-2012
* means instructions have been written.
1-Ground refreshing*
2-C101 connector refreshing**
3-Connector and relay/receptacle refreshing*
4-Coil/ICM contacts*
5-Checking sensor grounds*
6-Sensor ground upgrade**
7-CPS testing and adjusting*
8-TPS testing and adjusting*
9-ECU connector refreshing*
10-Trans plug connector refreshing*
11-Throttle body and IAC cleaning*
12-Setting your 4.0 to #1 TDC*
13-Renix Distributor indexing**
14-Restoring throttle butterfly adjustment*
15-Rear main seal diagnosis*
16-Vacuum test for exhaust restriction*
17-HO engine into Renix*
18-Improving the instrument panel ground*
19-Headlight harness installation*
20-4WD shifting tips*
21- Renix EGR valve test*
22- Renix vacuum harnesses**
23- CPS timing advance mod*
24-4.0 Engine date codes*
25-Valve cover mod*
26- Snugging up intake manifold bolts
27- CPS wiring bypass
28- Setting base idle
29- Renix O2 sensor diagnostics
Revised 11-02-2012
* means instructions have been written.
1-Ground refreshing*
2-C101 connector refreshing**
3-Connector and relay/receptacle refreshing*
4-Coil/ICM contacts*
5-Checking sensor grounds*
6-Sensor ground upgrade**
7-CPS testing and adjusting*
8-TPS testing and adjusting*
9-ECU connector refreshing*
10-Trans plug connector refreshing*
11-Throttle body and IAC cleaning*
12-Setting your 4.0 to #1 TDC*
13-Renix Distributor indexing**
14-Restoring throttle butterfly adjustment*
15-Rear main seal diagnosis*
16-Vacuum test for exhaust restriction*
17-HO engine into Renix*
18-Improving the instrument panel ground*
19-Headlight harness installation*
20-4WD shifting tips*
21- Renix EGR valve test*
22- Renix vacuum harnesses**
23- CPS timing advance mod*
24-4.0 Engine date codes*
25-Valve cover mod*
26- Snugging up intake manifold bolts
27- CPS wiring bypass
28- Setting base idle
29- Renix O2 sensor diagnostics
My 90 was heading to the junkyard till I stepped in and bought it.True story! Its my intro to the cherokee world.The elderly couple I bought it from towed it behind their motorhome,didnt figure it was worth anything because of mileage and no KBB value.Wouldn't pass az emissions,retirement center tagged it and was going to be removed.Owner wasn't willing to put a dime in it.
Long story short,I now have a new addition to the family.So what if needs a little attention,dont we all?
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