Originally Posted by sycoglitch

Should be thanking you too. Not many people are open minded to the truth that's researched.

Originally Posted by Bugout4x4

It looked like continuing this discussion was being discouraged so I explained my biased statement to salad via PM:


Good morning friend, I owe you an answer to your request to elaborate

I have to admit that I discourage using Pennsoil because I am still in Sludge grudge boycott mode from the days when they were paraffin based. They knew they had an issue yet refused to admit it or address it for many many years and I guess am still mad at them about this. I pulled far too many rocker covers to find so much pennsoil sludge built up inside that it looked like the rocker cover was still there


Reply Posted by salad:

Howdy there,

Ah, I see! They've made quite the turnaround - in fact they are now one of the best in the conventional segment, with the lowest wear and some of the cleanest engines! The only sludge I've ever seen, with any oil, (personally) was either due to neglect or a Chrysler 2.7L V6

Old habits die hard I suppose.

Cheers


Re-Reply posted by myself this morning:


I don't doubt that Pennsoil may be a decent product now and it is not so much the product I detest but their "slimy" corporate practices over the years. A better way to put it might be "Old Political Grudges die hard" Seriously, I witnessed it personally, Pennsoil and Quaker State oils were so bad for 25 years through the 70s, 80s and early 90s that they were actually destroying engines. At less than 200k the oil galleys, lifter ports and push tubes would start plugging up. It would even cook and glue the rings down into the grooves and start losing compression. All this they blamed on the consumer even though they knew it was actually their product causing the problems. They insulted and refuted the intelligence and knowledge of the experts who were tearing down these engines and finding these issues.


I am heavy into politics and believe "boycotting" is the only power we still retain to truly repair some of the problems in this country. The automotive repair industry boycotting Pennsoil might be why they now have a decent product! Everybody like myself ended up discouraging their customers from using it so they were finally forced to fix the issue. So it is good to hear the efforts of old hard headed farts like myself made a difference! lol.

Originally Posted by Bugout4x4

Everyday is a new learning experience. All perspectives must be considered or I will learn nothing. It is very hard to tell which way the wind is truly blowing by looking out from behind a closed window. Sometimes you have to open the door and step outside the box to know for sure

Originally Posted by salad

Well, Shell bought Pennzoil in 1999, so that may be why it went from sludge-o-matic to decent oil (which looks good in both virgin and used oil analyses). But that doesn't necessarily forgive them of shady business practices. Kind of like Fiat buying Chrysler... or Daimler... or that venture capital...

Unlike FRAM, which we KNOW is STILL trash!

Originally Posted by Basslicks

Wow. Thanks for posting that, your statement makes perfect sense now. It's nice that you stepped up to the challenge. Helps us all learn something. I actually didn't know about them being Parafin based. I knew quaker state was crap and would sludge up motors... actually saw that one first hand. I didn't know Pennzoil was also a culprit. I'm a little torn now because I too, HATE unethical companies, but I've been using the plain conventional yellow jug pennzoil in my motors for the past 10 years or more and I'm really happy with it.



This is what it's all about. If we start thinking we know it all, it just proves how stupid we really are.

Originally Posted by Basslicks

Thought we were looking for examples showing an improvement
J/K

Originally Posted by salad

Nah... providing an example of no change... lol