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It looked like continuing this discussion was being discouraged so I explained my biased statement to salad via PM:
Good morning friend, I owe you an answer to your request to elaborate
I have to admit that I discourage using Pennsoil because I am still in Sludge grudge boycott mode from the days when they were paraffin based. They knew they had an issue yet refused to admit it or address it for many many years and I guess am still mad at them about this. I pulled far too many rocker covers to find so much pennsoil sludge built up inside that it looked like the rocker cover was still there
Reply Posted by salad:
Howdy there,
Ah, I see! They've made quite the turnaround - in fact they are now one of the best in the conventional segment, with the lowest wear and some of the cleanest engines! The only sludge I've ever seen, with any oil, (personally) was either due to neglect or a Chrysler 2.7L V6
Old habits die hard I suppose.
Cheers
Re-Reply posted by myself this morning:
I don't doubt that Pennsoil may be a decent product now and it is not so much the product I detest but their "slimy" corporate practices over the years. A better way to put it might be "Old Political Grudges die hard" Seriously, I witnessed it personally, Pennsoil and Quaker State oils were so bad for 25 years through the 70s, 80s and early 90s that they were actually destroying engines. At less than 200k the oil galleys, lifter ports and push tubes would start plugging up. It would even cook and glue the rings down into the grooves and start losing compression. All this they blamed on the consumer even though they knew it was actually their product causing the problems. They insulted and refuted the intelligence and knowledge of the experts who were tearing down these engines and finding these issues.
I am heavy into politics and believe "boycotting" is the only power we still retain to truly repair some of the problems in this country. The automotive repair industry boycotting Pennsoil might be why they now have a decent product! Everybody like myself ended up discouraging their customers from using it so they were finally forced to fix the issue. So it is good to hear the efforts of old hard headed farts like myself made a difference! lol.
Ah yes thank you for answering my question about what they used. That was known wide spread through the automotive industry too.
I don't doubt that Pennsoil may be a decent product now and it is not so much the product I detest but their "slimy" corporate practices over the years.
This speaks volumes, and is the EXACT same reason I will never buy a Fram filter. Slimy corporate practices are all around us, and we vote with our wallets.
It sucks. In general. You always want the fancy oil commercial to be good stuff and make the vehicle go faster etc. Like Pennzoil platinum. Nice grey and blue bottle lol
This speaks volumes, and is the EXACT same reason I will never buy a Fram filter. Slimy corporate practices are all around us, and we vote with our wallets.
So fill me in... What's up with Fram? I'll support a legitimate boycott on them too! lol
It sucks. In general. You always want the fancy oil commercial to be good stuff and make the vehicle go faster etc. Like Pennzoil platinum. Nice grey and blue bottle lol
Like I shared earlier, it all comes from the same base source. I am lucky and have an inside track on Petroleum facts. Believe it or not, it all starts with Paleontology. Check this out, you might find it interesting My good Friend Mitch Covington aka "Bugman" is the most renown expert in the field and even wrote the leading oil "reserve locating" paleontology software for the petroleum industry.
So fill me in... What's up with Fram? I'll support a legitimate boycott on them too! lol
For years they knowingly produced a substandard product that they claimed was premium, and let the customers dangle in the wind. Google it, there's PLENTY of documented cases out there. They are an inferior-made product to this day. You tube some of the videos of people cutting them open...you'll see the difference.
As with anything, you have lovers and haters on this subject. I look at it like this, they are known to be the low cost option...which means quality suffers. Partner that with their shady marketing practices over the years, and the fact they themselves admitted to it after their feet were held to the fire, and it's a product I don't want to use. Put whatever you want in your cars, fine by me...but my junk runs, and runs great. LOL
^ They said what I forgot to regarding FRAM before I clicked send!!
Yes, Duma has a fantastic dissection video showing the poor bypass relief design. Aside from cheap material in the valve, the cheapo FRAMs are set up with the bypass valve AFTER the filtering medium, instead of BEFORE. So when it's operating (frequently as the media is so restrictive), there is absolutely nothing stopping bits that were previously caught in the filter from being washed into the engine.
Heres my Fram Vid,, This is why I dont like Fram filters. Crap bypass valve location causing filter wash over, bad plastic bypass valve with cheap spring. Lame *** anti drain back hard rubber, the list goes on..
I stand corrected and will take back my suggestion that it is cool to use Fram Filters. I still maintain that if one changes their oil and filter as often as they really should the construction should not matter. But "Shady Marketing" practices are absolutely inexcusable and one of things that sorely "Grinds My Gears" so I'm in on the boycott! lol
I still remember helping Dad install aftermarket oil filter kits on engines that came from the factory with no oil filter at all. They mounted on the fender well or fire wall and you tapped an oil galley plug to hose them in. When you serviced them you actually wrapped new "toilet paper" around a cylinder core screen. By keeping their oil changed folks were still getting 300k or more from these engines even without the filter kit!
Ive seen a few toilet paper oil filters on a few old boats up here in AK.. The prob with that kind of set up is the break down of the paper and plugging up oil passages.
Ive seen a few toilet paper oil filters on a few old boats up here in AK.. The prob with that kind of set up is the break down of the paper and plugging up oil passages.
That's a fact, I remember when they did start having that problem but seriously, they just don't make it like they used to! lol. I remember Toilet Paper used to be very similar to "Institutional Grade" paper towels. It was just shy of being very thin cardboard. Might as well have used a rock
I truly appreciate the time it took for you to put all that research together...Very well done Sir!
That's a fact, I remember when they did start having that problem but seriously, they just don't make it like they used to! lol. I remember Toilet Paper used to be very similar to "Institutional Grade" paper towels. It was just shy of being very thin cardboard. Might as well have used a rock
I truly appreciate the time it took for you to put all that research together...Very well done Sir!
Should be thanking you too. Not many people are open minded to the truth that's researched.
08-04-2015, 09:15 AM
My good Friend Mitch Covington aka "Bugman" is the most renown expert in the field and even wrote the leading oil "reserve locating" paleontology software for the petroleum industry.
