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Old Jan 13, 2014 | 01:43 PM
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Right, that solves issues with the highbeam/lowbeam problem but unfortunately it does not fix the issue with the lights not going out when you shut them off regardless of engine being on or off. You still have to flick the highbeams for them to shut off. I believe that problem would be solved with the removal of the delay module. I think the delay module leaks some voltage even when its off and this somehow keeps the relays activated until the circuit can be broken, which is what happens when you flick the highbeams. Its not enough voltage to activate the relays, but enough to keep them activated once they are on. Of course with the regular sealed beams and no harness the lights just go out because the small voltage leak is not enough to actually light the bulbs. This is my theory on this and my xj is a 2000.
Mines a 2000 xj too and my light's dont shut off when the engine is running. I think it has something to do with the harness. My harness is the same set up as a putco wiring harness. Direct connection on positive terminal with grounds and hooks up to passenger side factory light set up.
Old Jan 13, 2014 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by carbuff
Right, that solves issues with the highbeam/lowbeam problem but unfortunately it does not fix the issue with the lights not going out when you shut them off regardless of engine being on or off. You still have to flick the highbeams for them to shut off. I believe that problem would be solved with the removal of the delay module. I think the delay module leaks some voltage even when its off and this somehow keeps the relays activated until the circuit can be broken, which is what happens when you flick the highbeams. Its not enough voltage to activate the relays, but enough to keep them activated once they are on. Of course with the regular sealed beams and no harness the lights just go out because the small voltage leak is not enough to actually light the bulbs. This is my theory on this and my xj is a 2000.
Ah ok. Yeah, next would be to disable the delay module and go from there... odd behavior for sure.
Old Jan 13, 2014 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by blue_00xj
Mines a 2000 xj too and my light's dont shut off when the engine is running. I think it has something to do with the harness. My harness is the same set up as a putco wiring harness. Direct connection on positive terminal with grounds and hooks up to passenger side factory light set up.
Yes my setup is the same on my 2000. My lights also dont go out whether the engine is running or not. I have to pull the highbeam lever back just a bit to shut them off. I dont have to engage them, just flick them, like a flash to pass sort of deal. The funny thing is that every so often, maybe 5% of the time, the lights will go off normally. It actually startles me as Im so used to them staying on. Im betting that its the delay module causing the problem.
Old Jan 13, 2014 | 02:05 PM
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Ah ok. Yeah, next would be to disable the delay module and go from there... odd behavior for sure.
Odd for sure.but 4 people in this thread alone have this problem. My guess as to why it only happens to some people is component tolerances. Its probably only some delay modules that leak the voltage and with all these different cheap relays being used in the harnesses, some can be kept activated with just trace voltage and some cant. So, put these 2 variables together and the problem only pops up with some people, not all with the same setup. I guess this is just what happens when you add modern tech to an older system that was never designed to work that way. It wakes up the gremlins.
Old Jan 13, 2014 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by carbuff

Odd for sure.but 4 people in this thread alone have this problem. My guess as to why it only happens to some people is component tolerances. Its probably only some delay modules that leak the voltage and with all these different cheap relays being used in the harnesses, some can be kept activated with just trace voltage and some cant. So, put these 2 variables together and the problem only pops up with some people, not all with the same setup. I guess this is just what happens when you add modern tech to an older system that was never designed to work that way. It wakes up the gremlins.
So when taking the delay out, wont that keep the lights on? Or would it just get rid of the trace voltage and there wont be any delay and turn off right away? Im a little confused. Kinda new to some of this jeep stuff
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Originally Posted by blue_00xj
So when taking the delay out, wont that keep the lights on? Or would it just get rid of the trace voltage and there wont be any delay and turn off right away? Im a little confused. Kinda new to some of this jeep stuff
Yeah, the idea would be that the lights would just go on and off like normal with no delay function at all. Ive never had a car with this feature before and have no use for it. I just need to find the delay module so I can remove it, to check out my theory. I hope its not tied in with the whole interior light delay and remote/keyless entry unit.
Old Jan 13, 2014 | 07:48 PM
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Count me down Carbuff

Same issue. Where is the delay module located? Is it easy to bypass it?

You guys will love going HID projectors. Big difference in safety. I did my own however.
Old Jan 13, 2014 | 07:51 PM
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Same issue. Where is the delay module located? Is it easy to bypass it?

You guys will love going HID projectors. Big difference in safety. I did my own however.
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Behind steering wheel. just unplug it.
Old Jan 13, 2014 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by blue_00xj
Mines a 2000 xj too and my light's dont shut off when the engine is running. I think it has something to do with the harness. My harness is the same set up as a putco wiring harness. Direct connection on positive terminal with grounds and hooks up to passenger side factory light set up.
All the HID harnesses are like that. Like me and a few other have said already ues the high beam switch to turn them off.
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Originally Posted by carbuff
Right, that solves issues with the highbeam/lowbeam problem but unfortunately it does not fix the issue with the lights not going out when you shut them off regardless of engine being on or off. You still have to flick the highbeams for them to shut off. I believe that would be solved with the removal of the delay module. I think the delay module leaks some voltage even when its off and this somehow keeps the relays activated until the circuit can be broken, which is what happens when you flick the highbeams. Its not enough voltage to activate the relays, but enough to keep them activated once they are on. Of course with the regular sealed beams and no harness the lights just go out because the small voltage leak is not enough to actually light the bulbs. This is my theory on this and my xj is a 2000.
That exactly what I was thinking. Thanks for typing it all.

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Behind steering wheel. just unplug it.
I didn't realize it was that easy.

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Old Jan 13, 2014 | 09:09 PM
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That exactly what I was thinking. Thanks for typing it all.



I didn't realize it was that easy.
From what I've read, it is. I have a 96 though... but that's the delay module that causes the infamous headlights staying on.

Basically, take it with a grain of salt. Try it yourself and report back, please! That way we can figure this out.
Old Jan 13, 2014 | 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by tssguy123
From what I've read, it is. I have a 96 though... but that's the delay module that causes the infamous headlights staying on.

Basically, take it with a grain of salt. Try it yourself and report back, please! That way we can figure this out.
I found this thread earlier.

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthrea...#post245957922

So now I know where it is on my 2000. Its the same part number for all the years but the location may vary. At least we know what it looks like. Supposedly, you just unplug it and youre good to go. As an added bonus someone might actually want to buy that module to add the delayed lights to their xj.
Old Jan 13, 2014 | 11:06 PM
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So, I just could not wait til tomorrow. I located the module, unplugged it, and now my headlights work perfectly. They go on and off when I use the headlight switch only. No delays, no nonsense. It was easy, took about 20 minutes total.I left it in there as it looked like getting at the screw that holds it on would take more time than the whole mod. I have a pic of the location on my 2000. Its right there on the left with the plug showing.

Old Jan 14, 2014 | 12:59 AM
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Nice. Its on my list now.
Old Jan 14, 2014 | 08:13 AM
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Thanks for the pic carbuff. Let's hear if that works for everyone.



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