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Old Oct 31, 2014 | 03:48 PM
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^^ I understand that Rusty's uses inferior metal that often cracks or breaks. If the base material is crap than everything after that is ****..

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Old Oct 31, 2014 | 03:52 PM
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How about all the other people who have had the exact same problem with their Rusty's trash?
Oh yeah. No disagreement from me on that part.

It just seemed very wrong to me to point to a broken part when the crash was bad enough to break the center of wheel completely out. The trackbar could have easily been a result that same as the wheel.
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Old Oct 31, 2014 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by McCaffrey
Oh yeah. No disagreement from me on that part.

It just seemed very wrong to me to point to a broken part when the crash was bad enough to break the center of wheel completely out. The trackbar could have easily been a result that same as the wheel.
For him to suddenly lose steering in a properly lifted LJ suggests track bar or drag link. His drag link was fine, and his track bar is one with a well documented history of problems just like this. It's entirely reasonable to assume the track bar caused the crash.

He has a LA lift and beadlock wheels on his LJ Rubi, and he stayed calm after rolling it and crawling out. The guy most likely has some experience under his belt and didn't jerk the wheel just for kicks
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Old Oct 31, 2014 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by NewKindOfClown

For him to suddenly lose steering in a properly lifted LJ suggests track bar or drag link. His drag link was fine, and his track bar is one with a well documented history of problems just like this. It's entirely reasonable to assume the track bar caused the crash.

He has a LA lift and beadlock wheels on his LJ Rubi, and he stayed calm after rolling it and crawling out. The guy most likely has some experience under his belt and didn't jerk the wheel just for kicks
"I'm just gonna ram my $18,000 rubi into that gaurdrail"......... lol
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Old Oct 31, 2014 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by NewKindOfClown
It has nothing to do with opinions. Rusty uses garbage TREs in his track bars and steering components, and cops out by saying he orders them; he doesn't make them. That way his warranty doesn't apply.

He should be put out of business, if not sued.
Not arguing. I have no clue about Rusty's.

Just was meaning from a crash it's tough to say for certain.
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Old Oct 31, 2014 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by NewKindOfClown
For him to suddenly lose steering in a properly lifted LJ suggests track bar or drag link. His drag link was fine, and his track bar is one with a well documented history of problems just like this. It's entirely reasonable to assume the track bar caused the crash.

He has a LA lift and beadlock wheels on his LJ Rubi, and he stayed calm after rolling it and crawling out. The guy most likely has some experience under his belt and didn't jerk the wheel just for kicks
I don't want to be a dick because I know you guys think that is the case in the past, but this is nothing but assumption. People crash thousands of times a day for all kinds of reasons. It could just as easily be said that wheel with the center broken out is what caused the crash.
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Old Oct 31, 2014 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by McCaffrey
I don't want to be a dick because I know you guys think that is the case in the past, but this is nothing but assumption. People crash thousands of times a day for all kinds of reasons. It could just as easily be said that wheel with the center broken out is what caused the crash.
Do you really honestly believe a center just ripped, not just broke, but ripped out like that. Honestly. Not trying to stay off topic but the rest of his steering looked intact for the most part minus his trackbar .
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Old Oct 31, 2014 | 08:41 PM
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Just saw the video. If the impact ripped the wheel off it could easily shear the track bar.
I don't know.

Whether or not Rusty's is junk. It just doesn't add up. It's very possible the trackbar was already damaged and came apart, or the rim was cracked already. Just impossible to tell in my opinion.

Interesting though.
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Old Oct 31, 2014 | 09:27 PM
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So you disagreed earlier without even looking at the video. Good to know. You're still acting like there isn't a strong trend toward Rusty's trackbars failing on highways and under light use. There is. It's documented, and not all of the incidents are rollovers, so your argument is ruled out there. More again, wheels don't suddenly tear off laterally from rotational force.

My last argument...
Raise your hand if you've rolled a Jeep.
Raise your hand if you've watched someone roll a Jeep.
How many Jeep carcasses and rollover videos have you seen?

I've never seen a track bar TRE shear during a roll. My IRO sure didn't. Dukie has been using it on his rig for about 2 years after my rollover without a problem.

EDIT: I'm only persisting in this argument because evidence (far beyond just this crash) shows that Rusty's components are unreliable and unsafe. I'm not meaning to argue with the two of you. I'm arguing that it isn't an opinion. These are facts that can dissuade someone from buying parts that can kill them or someone else on the road.

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Old Oct 31, 2014 | 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by NewKindOfClown
So you disagreed earlier without even looking at the video. Good to know. You're still acting like there isn't a strong trend toward Rusty's trackbars failing on highways and under light use. There is. It's documented, and not all of the incidents are rollovers, so your argument is ruled out there. More again, wheels don't suddenly tear off laterally from rotational force.

My last argument...
Raise your hand if you've rolled a Jeep.
Raise your hand if you've watched someone roll a Jeep.
How many Jeep carcasses and rollover videos have you seen?

I've never seen a track bar TRE shear during a roll. My IRO sure didn't. Dukie has been using it on his rig for about 2 years after my rollover without a problem.

EDIT: I'm only persisting in this argument because evidence (far beyond just this crash) shows that Rusty's components are unreliable and unsafe. I'm not meaning to argue with the two of you. I'm arguing that it isn't an opinion. These are facts that can dissuade someone from buying parts that can kill them or someone else on the road.
Rusty's may be the culprit. But i know enough to understand that many times trying to track down the problem or culprit may be next to impossible. Especially when the majority of accidents from lifted trucks are from driver error.

Yes I have rolled(a car)and witnessed a few jeep rolls over the years. Never saw a track bar sheared, for that matter I never have saw a wheel ripped off.

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Old Oct 31, 2014 | 09:54 PM
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Honestly if Rusty's are that dangerous. How are they still in business? Being serious.
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Old Oct 31, 2014 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by holycaveman
Honestly if Rusty's are that dangerous. How are they still in business? Being serious.
Because people love buying cheap ****. That never changes.
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Old Oct 31, 2014 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by holycaveman
Never saw a track bar sheared, for that matter I never have saw a wheel ripped off.
That must mean it never happens, right? LMAO
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Old Oct 31, 2014 | 10:25 PM
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OK having dealt with more than one "just riding along" warranty claim in the bicycle industry a sure sign of something breaking from an unnoticed crack is discoloration on one or both pieces. The video is not in HD so I can not say for sure, but it does look like there is some discoloration (rust?) on the side that he lifts up, which would be a sign that the track bar was already starting to go and just happened to snap while he was driving at speed.

Where the blame lays, abuse from the user, or a manufacture defect, is yet to be proven. Thing is if a large number of people have had similar problems it would tilt my opinion to manufacture defect. That and other than the jeep being rolled it looks like he took care of it and didn't abuse it.
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Old Oct 31, 2014 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by holycaveman
Honestly if Rusty's are that dangerous. How are they still in business? Being serious.
Originally Posted by NewKindOfClown
Because people love buying cheap ****. That never changes.
Yup. If brand A costs 500 bucks and brand B costs 200 bucks, people are going to buy brand B. Now if brand B breaks, most are like "well it only cost 200 so I'll just buy another". Sometimes you DO get what you pay for and suspension is one thing you don't want to cheap out too much on. It's a safety thing. Honestly is yours or others lives/safety worth saving that much?
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