would you put it past them?

 

States such as CA, VA, NY, etc. are slowly going that route every time they increase the inspection and/or emission standards. The likelihood that an outright ban of older vehicles would happen, unless they wanted everyone on public transport. With that said, it is easier to push these cars into junkyards with such regulations like "MIL ON, AUTO FAIL.''
The simple fact that manufactures are causing more things to be dealer only and proprietary shows their in fear of not making money in servicing vehicles as their usually the most expensive place in town.

 

More whining. "I have to use a laptop".....waaaaaa. Seriously. I mean how common are iPads and iPhones, etc. and that often is all that is required.

I understand the KISS philosphy, but if that is what you want...stick with the XJ. Belittling a newer model is NOT a logical argument. Again, same general attitude from the change from the SJ to the XJ, just different items.

Oh...and speaking of being able to fix something....I bet a fraction of KLs will be roadside/trailside broken down versus XJs with their various major failures over its life. On this vary forum people complain about week rear axles and cracked heads. Lets not forget the **** poor paint quality. Have we forgotten about the terrible bolt access of the rear shock points? This site if FULL of examples of how **** poor (but simple...sure) the build quality is. Sounds like a bunch of hypocrisy to me.

Call me an a-hole all you want (which says you can't argue logically and just step down to the level of name calling), but the logic and facts are there. You may disagree, but I haven't seen anyone have the ***** to step up and say they could build a KL and trail it with equal or better ability. I just said I believe I could (with assistance of talent better than my own). I'm also not trying to belittle anyone. I'm just saying that there are some talented people here, and that your fear shouldn't stop you from wanting to build a KL.

 

His posts pissed me off too.

 

Reread this thread very carefully. Myself and others have made various valid arguments that exceeded the points of it being ugly or whatever. The build quality of the XJ may not be superior but there is one thing the XJ had that the KL just like every 2014 vehicle lacks is QUALITY CONTROL. Yes the 0331 head was prone to cracking but wasn't right out of the box cracking. The KL will probably end up with quite a few issues that dealers will be solving under warranty due to the fact that most manufactures are apart of that cheapo culture. The kind of issues that put Chrysler into bankruptcy in the first place is still occurring.

No one is afraid to build a KL, no one wants to touch a KL. It's like I've said before very easy to lose your warranty for modifying the vehicle (JK owners are crying in droves about them losing a warranty for lifting or swapping the bumper.)

Also, the change from the SJ to the XJ ended up bringing the type of customers Jeep wanted but didn't have. It also had a design that while it pissed the Jeep crowd off, drove the outsiders in. Something the KL won't accomplish because the general attitude jeeper or not is that it's ugly and it doesn't compete with how many soccer ***** fit in it's cargo space like the Ford Escape. The XJ stepped up the game in it's class while the KL is just another CUV that is only "average" in it's class.

I'm not downplaying the KL because it's not a Jeep, but because it's nothing extraordinary even in it's own class. Not Soccer Mom approved. Not Jeeper approved.

Ah, he's one of those "If if we dont have flying cars that get a 1,000 MPG in the next 5 years, we're all doomed!" kind of people that make me shake my head and laugh.

 

X2, When I look at a KL I have a hard time comprehending why anyone (Jeeper, Soccer Mom, or anyone else) would actually buy one. It is priced high for its segment and there are better options out there for just about every need.

Some examples:

For the "out-doors-ie" families who need an affordable vehicle to take them and their gear camping, hunting, etc. and/or those who live in areas that get allot of snow the Subaru Forester is a much better option. It has an excellent AWD system, 8.7" of ground clearance (better than any KL except the Trail-Hawk which beats it by 1/10 of an inch at 8.8"), more rear-seat leg room, more head room, more cargo space, both better fuel mileage and better acceleration than a 4-cyl KL (due to the Subaru weighing about 800 lbs. less), Oh and did I mention that a 4-cyl AWD Forester is about $4,000 less than a 4-cyl AWD KL.

For the serious off-roader who needs to carry more than 2 people and/or some stuff with them the Wrangler 4dr, Xtera, and 4-Runner (to a lesser extent) are all better options and for about same price or less as a KL trail-hawk, the ride and interior might not be as nice as the KL but that stuff isn't important to most off-roaders not to mention making a KL trail-hawk as capable as even a base Wrangler or Xtera will cost thousands, kill any fuel-mileage advantage the KL has, wreck the KL's smooth on-road ride and quiet interior, and void the warranty.

For the soccer mom looking for a mini-van replacement who doesn't care about off-road capability the Ford Escape, Chevy Equinox/GMC Terrain, Honda CRV, Toyota Rav4, Nissan Rouge, and Subaru Forester all offer more passenger/cargo space and most have a lower price than the KL.

For those looking for a "Luxury" SUV/Cross-over with some off-road capability and towing ability the Grand Cherokee is a much better vehicle in virtually every way (performance, passenger room, cargo space, towing capacity, off-road abilities, build quality, ride, interior quality, etc.) than the KL for only a little more (compared to a 6-cyl AWD/4WD KL).

If anything I think the KL will cannibalize WK2 sales. Allot of the people I've seen on other Jeep forums that bought a KL were former WJ or WK owners who decided to "upgrade" (or maybe downgrade) and bought a KL over a Grand Cherokee because they didn't need the space, towing capacity, or off-road capability of a Grand Cherokee, they were Jeep "loyalists" that didn't really look at competitive vehicle from other brands and went with the KL since it was a little cheaper and gets slightly better gas-mileage. These same people would have likely bought a Grand Cherokee, or Compass/Patriot (if they wanted a smaller and non-luxury vehicle), so what is Jeep/Chrysler/Fiat accomplishing with this.

It would be one thing if the KL was truly competitive in its class but it really isn't and it is priced near the top of its class, if Jeep/Chrysler/Fiat want to charge a premium they have to offer a vehicle that is better than its competitors (in ways that customers find important) and they really haven't.

Initial sales may be ok since I'm sure there are a few people who saw the KL and said "I have to have one" (probably the same people that bought Aztecs when they first came out) but I don't see sales sustaining (without large discounts) since there are better vehicles out there for a lower price than the KL and most people see the KL as ugly or at the very least weird which usually isn't good for sales.

 

This is spot on. Add untested electronic systems and a 9-speed transmission behind a pretty junky motor (Tigershark 2.4L), the KL won't reach the popularity of the XJ or maybe even the KK Liberty.

 

Ouch lol

 

Lol, too harsh?

 

Here's my honest opinion. I work at a Jeep dealership. I like the interior a lot. If I could I would swap the 2014 cherokee seats into my XJ (fronts anyway) it drives nice on the road. I am not a fan of either motor, or the 9 speed trans at all. And here's a pic of the first Trailhawk we got

 

I like the wheels

 

I heard the interior is the best part of this thing.


On a side note: I work for Firestone and now I understand why so many Destination A/T's are showing up.

 

Well, getting popular around Tampa. Seen a number of them already. Almost all red interestingly.

 

I think because I post at a higher level than you. It may also be because I had your favorite little moderator kicked out of being a moderator. You've had an issue with me since the beginning. Probably because I didn't lavish praise on you. I've mentioned many times if you hate my posts so much, why not just put me on your ignore list.