Welding thread!!!!
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Watching his MIG weld trouble-shooting video right now at the moment, haha. I would, but i don't have 220 ran into my garage, or anywhere reasonable to be welding. I even considered putting the welder downstairs and using the washer/dryer's plug, but my basement is just a mess... And, i don't necessarily think my mother would like me welding in the kitchen off the stove's plug either, lol. If i had the money/know-how, or if i knew i was staying in this house for that matter, I'd run 220 on it's own dedicated circuit, but it's just not plausible at this point. 
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I can't imagine my stove would use anything higher than what, 20-40amps, tops?
I've considered that, but it's one of those "IF" kinds of things. It's a lot of money, that i just don't have, and wont have any time soon. $500 is a BIG hit for me right now, and it's mainly because i want to get the jump on it so i can start using it for the Jeep and hopefully, if i can save enough pennies, my dream 240sx. Plus, i don't want to necessarily drop anything higher than this on something i still need to learn, ya know?
I shouldn't rush the welder, but for what the 140 is, it doesn't seem like it's really "rushing", it seems like a pretty big bang for my 110v wall socket, haha.
HOWEVER, i did get news today i'm getting a raise to $9.00 an hour
.But, new york still rapes my pay.
back to the original topic, running an extension cord for 220 isn't a horrible idea, but then if i go into the 220 range, i'm also jumping what, $200, or $300 upwards at least? Also, higher electric bills...
With 110/115 i could always run an extension cord from my totally consenting neighbors house... they'd never know... right guys? right?
But in all seriousness, portability is a big thing. I am at school everyday, and am always down in the tech shop and it's slightly annoying making all my parts at school, then needing to take them somewhere else to weld them... I could always bring the welder there, and then just do the whole project in one go.
It's either i could see if i could get some help on 50/50ing costs for a 240sx, or on a welder, or on insurance for a bit... and, i'm kind of leaning towards the 240sx, due to me being able to buy a welder AND the car, if i had help paying for it.
money decisions suck, guys. I want you all to know that.
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Most electric stoves usually go at 40-50 amps. And u actually ll save more with the electric bill if it was at 220 because it wouldn't work as hard as if it was on 110.
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That is true. I still may have to get a new breaker to the right amperage, if i were to do that though, correct?
I can't imagine my stove would use anything higher than what, 20-40amps, tops?
I've considered that, but it's one of those "IF" kinds of things. It's a lot of money, that i just don't have, and wont have any time soon. $500 is a BIG hit for me right now, and it's mainly because i want to get the jump on it so i can start using it for the Jeep and hopefully, if i can save enough pennies, my dream 240sx. Plus, i don't want to necessarily drop anything higher than this on something i still need to learn, ya know?
I shouldn't rush the welder, but for what the 140 is, it doesn't seem like it's really "rushing", it seems like a pretty big bang for my 110v wall socket, haha.
HOWEVER, i did get news today i'm getting a raise to $9.00 an hour.
But, new york still rapes my pay.
back to the original topic, running an extension cord for 220 isn't a horrible idea, but then if i go into the 220 range, i'm also jumping what, $200, or $300 upwards at least? Also, higher electric bills...
With 110/115 i could always run an extension cord from my totally consenting neighbors house... they'd never know... right guys? right?
But in all seriousness, portability is a big thing. I am at school everyday, and am always down in the tech shop and it's slightly annoying making all my parts at school, then needing to take them somewhere else to weld them... I could always bring the welder there, and then just do the whole project in one go.
It's either i could see if i could get some help on 50/50ing costs for a 240sx, or on a welder, or on insurance for a bit... and, i'm kind of leaning towards the 240sx, due to me being able to buy a welder AND the car, if i had help paying for it.
money decisions suck, guys. I want you all to know that.
I can't imagine my stove would use anything higher than what, 20-40amps, tops?
I've considered that, but it's one of those "IF" kinds of things. It's a lot of money, that i just don't have, and wont have any time soon. $500 is a BIG hit for me right now, and it's mainly because i want to get the jump on it so i can start using it for the Jeep and hopefully, if i can save enough pennies, my dream 240sx. Plus, i don't want to necessarily drop anything higher than this on something i still need to learn, ya know?
I shouldn't rush the welder, but for what the 140 is, it doesn't seem like it's really "rushing", it seems like a pretty big bang for my 110v wall socket, haha.
HOWEVER, i did get news today i'm getting a raise to $9.00 an hour
.But, new york still rapes my pay.
back to the original topic, running an extension cord for 220 isn't a horrible idea, but then if i go into the 220 range, i'm also jumping what, $200, or $300 upwards at least? Also, higher electric bills...
With 110/115 i could always run an extension cord from my totally consenting neighbors house... they'd never know... right guys? right?
But in all seriousness, portability is a big thing. I am at school everyday, and am always down in the tech shop and it's slightly annoying making all my parts at school, then needing to take them somewhere else to weld them... I could always bring the welder there, and then just do the whole project in one go.
It's either i could see if i could get some help on 50/50ing costs for a 240sx, or on a welder, or on insurance for a bit... and, i'm kind of leaning towards the 240sx, due to me being able to buy a welder AND the car, if i had help paying for it.
money decisions suck, guys. I want you all to know that.
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I'm gonna see if i could get some assistance on costs. At this point, it's either a 140, or the 210MVP. I'm really digging this, but i do have a question.. Why does the 140 say it can do 24 gauge all the way up to 1/4 inch single pass, but the 210mvp says 24guage up to 3/8th?
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Certainly. Multi-pass welding is done all the time. Overlap by half, and adjust working angles accordingly.
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the 140 max will do 1/4 in single pass (that's on it's best day).
the 210 max will do 3/8 (that's almost 1/2 inch thick) on 220v power on it's best day.
the 210 mvp will have a longer duty cycle too while on 220v setting.
the dual voltage option is ****, but i'm a strong believer in the right tool for the right job. so get one or the other, then later, grab the other.
a man cave can not have too many tools. lol
however, my hypertherm plasma cutter has dual voltage plugs. very handy. but once you get 220v power available, you likely won't use 110 anymore.
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that's because the 210 will work on 110v, same as the 140, so at the lowest setting, they both will weld 24g.
the 140 max will do 1/4 in single pass (that's on it's best day).
the 210 max will do 3/8 (that's almost 1/2 inch thick) on 220v power on it's best day.
the 210 mvp will have a longer duty cycle too while on 220v setting.
the dual voltage option is ****, but i'm a strong believer in the right tool for the right job. so get one or the other, then later, grab the other.
a man cave can not have too many tools. lol
however, my hypertherm plasma cutter has dual voltage plugs. very handy. but once you get 220v power available, you likely won't use 110 anymore.
the 140 max will do 1/4 in single pass (that's on it's best day).
the 210 max will do 3/8 (that's almost 1/2 inch thick) on 220v power on it's best day.
the 210 mvp will have a longer duty cycle too while on 220v setting.
the dual voltage option is ****, but i'm a strong believer in the right tool for the right job. so get one or the other, then later, grab the other.
a man cave can not have too many tools. lol
however, my hypertherm plasma cutter has dual voltage plugs. very handy. but once you get 220v power available, you likely won't use 110 anymore.
I was thinking 3/16th's though, my bad.
And, how long are we talking?
Honestly, is there anything on the Jeep that i would be doing over 1/4 with a multipass?
EDIT: Figured it out. They have it on Hobart's site.
"30% @ 150 A (230V)
20% @ 90 A (115V)"
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90A is no where near enough to weld 1/4" so that duty cycle isn't really relevant if you're asking about welding the thicker stuff. If you are a good welder and the conditions are right, the 140 will do 1/4" but, I wouldn't do it unless I had to. I have the 190 and did the top side of my rock sliders in one pass with no duty cycle issues at all. That was roughly 5 feet worth of weld on 1/4" steel. If you get the 140, you will always be pushing the limits of what it can handle. With a bigger, 190+, the machine won't have to work as hard to weld 3/16 and 1/4.