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Old Aug 7, 2010 | 10:03 AM
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GREAT news! It didnt strip the new calipers out...what happened was the old banjo bolt just crushed and it felt like it stripped but it didnt. I just got back from Napa and got their last 2 3/8-24 Banjo bolts and 4 new washers. It's all bolted up and ready to bleed but I can't bleed them myself aha.
I just hope my master cylinder isn't messed up from my gf pushing the pedal to the floor...my uncle just calld and told me not to do that because it can bypass the cylinder if it is too old. We shall see
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Old Aug 9, 2010 | 09:50 AM
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So I still have no brakes...I bled them alot, and theres still nothing. You can pump them up (when its off) and they will hold...but then once you let it go and go to press it again, the pedal goes to the floor. So I either have a blown Master Cylinder or it has alot of air inside of it. I am going to use a buddies pump bleeder and try to just bleed the crap out of it and see if I can get anything, and if not I am getting a new MC.

BUT our club had a one year anniversary party with wheeling, beer, and food! So...I had to drive the jeep. 80 mile round trip without brakes...and wheeling without brakes too But it was a BLASSSTTT









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Old Aug 9, 2010 | 12:53 PM
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mine did the same and I changed the Master cylinder. nice pics but seriously get some brakes before your wheel/drive that thing if you were in my club id send ya home packing or try to help you get brakes fixed. wheeling without them is how people get hurt its just dumb.
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Old Aug 9, 2010 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by XJSETH
mine did the same and I changed the Master cylinder. nice pics but seriously get some brakes before your wheel/drive that thing if you were in my club id send ya home packing or try to help you get brakes fixed. wheeling without them is how people get hurt its just dumb.
So you just got a new master cylinder and it fixed it eh?

And it wasn't bad at all. We weren't wheeling hard stuff, just small woods in the backyard. And in 4lo with a great parking brake it wasnt sketchy at all. But I totally understand what your saying
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Old Aug 10, 2010 | 09:29 AM
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Take the bleeders OUT of the calipers and the wheel cylinders. Clean them.
I have found NEW parts with debris on them, causing them to hang open, and allowing air into the system.

What order are you bleeding the wheels in?

Do it PSR, DSR, PSF, DSF.

It may come down to bleeding the master, but that's unlikely unless it ran dry while it sat with teh calipers/ wheel cylinders off.
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Old Aug 10, 2010 | 10:22 AM
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Take the bleeders OUT of the calipers and the wheel cylinders. Clean them.
I have found NEW parts with debris on them, causing them to hang open, and allowing air into the system.

What order are you bleeding the wheels in?

Do it PSR, DSR, PSF, DSF.

It may come down to bleeding the master, but that's unlikely unless it ran dry while it sat with teh calipers/ wheel cylinders off.
I'll have to try that. Maybe there is some debris. I didnt even check. My buddies neighbor has one of those pump bleeder things so we are going to try that.

And yes thats how I did it.

I really think air got into the MC...I think I accidentaly pressed the pedal while it was empty...
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Old Aug 10, 2010 | 03:35 PM
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Then don't waste any time... bleed the master.
Eliminate the possibility of it being the issue...

FWIW: I have NEVER had good luck with those powered bleeders.
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Old Aug 10, 2010 | 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by the freeak
Then don't waste any time... bleed the master.
Eliminate the possibility of it being the issue...

FWIW: I have NEVER had good luck with those powered bleeders.
Got all the air out of it...not the issue

Heres the diagnosis me and mark (mostly mark) have come up with. After lots and lots of bleeding, I have brakes in the rear, but NOTHING up front. So its looking like my MC is shotbecause its not getting fluid or pressure to the calipers and since 85% of the brakes are in the front, I need a new one. I am gunna do some pricing on an OEM one, and talk to my mechanic to see what he would run me to get it done by the end of the week. Or CJ's or something like that. Just because they're brakes, and are important. I know I can do the swap, but it is getting to the point where I will spend the money to just get it fixed, and feel no remorse lol.
Thats where it stands now
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Old Aug 11, 2010 | 08:41 AM
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I would be DAMN surprised to see a master simply "Fail" while sitting.

Take the lines off the master, bend up a new set of lines to go from the outlet ports BACK into the top of the master cylinder reservoir.

Fill the master with fresh fluid, and slowly pump the master a few dozen times. (With the temp lines routed back into the master reservoir, EXITING BELOW THE SURFACE OF THE BRAKE FLUID!)

Watch for bubbles in the MC while you slowly push the pedal.

When the bubbles are done, you have successfully bled the master.

Reconnect the OE brake lines, and re-bleed the brakes.

I'm 99% certain you will get your brakes back.
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Old Aug 12, 2010 | 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by the freeak
I would be DAMN surprised to see a master simply "Fail" while sitting.

Take the lines off the master, bend up a new set of lines to go from the outlet ports BACK into the top of the master cylinder reservoir.

Fill the master with fresh fluid, and slowly pump the master a few dozen times. (With the temp lines routed back into the master reservoir, EXITING BELOW THE SURFACE OF THE BRAKE FLUID!)

Watch for bubbles in the MC while you slowly push the pedal.

When the bubbles are done, you have successfully bled the master.

Reconnect the OE brake lines, and re-bleed the brakes.

I'm 99% certain you will get your brakes back.
Not trying to seem like I am disregarding your feedback, because I know that you are very wise, and i respect the feedback! But this is what leads me to think that its my MC.

My brakes were on their way out before I did all this stuff. It was getting worse and worse each day.

Also, my uncle used to be a mechanic and he called me telling me not to hit the pedal all the way to the floor because what can happen is, the MC isn't used to being pushed that far and it will mess it up. I (and my gf) pushed it to the floor so many times before I even knew of this. It might not be the case, but its something to put into consideration.

Like I said, not trying to sound like a dousche and not take your feedback, because I just learned something from your last post and thats what I am here for. If I didnt have a practically new MC sitting on my seat that i got for 10 dollars I would be out there doing it right now

Thanks again man. Hope I didnt come off like a *****.

So, like I said, I Picked up a master cylinder and coil spring isolators for 10 bucks at S&D's today. 8) MC looks brand new. Its going in on friday courtesy of my mechanic. So it should come home with 100% working brakes...hopefully. I just dont have the time to do it myself and I need my jeep to take my to my freshman year in college next week

I did some flexin today










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Old Aug 12, 2010 | 01:15 AM
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Wheres your T case skid?
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Old Aug 12, 2010 | 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by XJ?2010
Wheres your T case skid?
In my garage hahaa
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Old Aug 12, 2010 | 01:17 AM
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Its not doing much good sitting in there now is it....hehehe
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Old Aug 12, 2010 | 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by XJ?2010
Its not doing much good sitting in there now is it....hehehe
Haha nope all it is doing is pissing off my mom lol

I will take it with me to college and put it on there lol
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Old Aug 12, 2010 | 01:23 AM
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Ha there ya go
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