Transmission fluid change...thoughts???
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Not trying to be a total idiot to you;but, doesn't the fact that he stated that his ATF looked like motor oil throw up any red flags to you?
Plus as you state your "12 years as a Service Manager and Shop Foreman at a Jeep dealer". ALL Jeep dealers around here and all that I have spoken to say that the ATF+4 has superceeded the Dexron III requirement and are most adamant about that.
Plus as you state your "12 years as a Service Manager and Shop Foreman at a Jeep dealer". ALL Jeep dealers around here and all that I have spoken to say that the ATF+4 has superceeded the Dexron III requirement and are most adamant about that.
I'll bet every one of those guys at the dealership weren't around during the introduction of the AW4 in 1987, not the end of it's use in 2001.
All they know is what has been spoon fed to them in the bulletins. F1Addict is tight on the money in his assessment of the situation.
So I changed the fluid today I sure enough it looked like really burnt motor oil....changed the fluid checked the dip stick and it was nice and red....drove it for a few minutes rechecked and the level was good...color changed from to the look of a fresh oil change...maybe one more change will do it.
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Originally Posted by ctjkelley
So I changed the fluid today I sure enough it looked like really burnt motor oil....changed the fluid checked the dip stick and it was nice and red....drove it for a few minutes rechecked and the level was good...color changed from to the look of a fresh oil change...maybe one more change will do it.
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So I changed the fluid today I sure enough it looked like really burnt motor oil....changed the fluid checked the dip stick and it was nice and red....drove it for a few minutes rechecked and the level was good...color changed from to the look of a fresh oil change...maybe one more change will do it.
Keep up the good work. Drive it for a week or so and do it all over again.
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As for fluid type, I will not use nor will I recommend ATF+4, no matter WHAT the Chrysler bulletin says. The fluid for the AW4 is Dex/Merc III compatible. Not all AW4 transmissions will experience slippage with ATF+4, but enough have to warrant concern.
Why in the heck would you want to take that chance? Dex/Merc has proven to give extremely long service life for the AW4 transmission with no worries. Use it.
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3 Gallons of SuperTech Dex/Merc ATF(Wal-Marts brand)is my Favorite AW4 drain and fill fluid. Sometimes after draining and refilling the AW4 sump(4 quarts/1 Gallon) these 3 times, I will do a final fill of one Gallon Castrol Dex/Merc ATF. Thats only if I Really Like the Jeep.
I did the adjustment to my throttle cable. It took up about a 1/4 of slack. It shifts differently than before but it seems to be a little rougher with a hitch during shift. I can tell that it down shifts before reaching a higher rpm....before if we're running 60-70 I was around 2000-2200 rpm....now at the mph it's between 1800-2000 rpm. It seems 3rd gear hangs around for a while
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can motor oil & trans fluid somehow mix into each other ?
tryin to figure out why trans fluid is so dark, have no idea what PO has done or didnt do .. doesnt smell burnt, feels super slick in hand
I've been slowly changin the trans fluid .. bought this jeep 6 months, 1st automatic Ive owned .. 1993 base xj AW4 .. rebuilt motor at sometime, 228k total on clock
thanks to all the help on here, fluid swap seems to be good so far
swapped 7 quarts of trans fluid .. shifting better every change .. no pandoras box yet .. thinkin I may dump all of it ,, start fresh
is it possible for motor oil & trans fluid to mix somewhere? I do have the usual rear main leak .. dont seem to lose any trans fluid though .. tip of dipstick has some weird red lookin crud sometimes .. normal crud ? I plan on changin oil 1500 miles, til engine oil stops turning black so fast .. clean her out
YES .. using Wix filter now .. jeep had a fram when i bought it
tryin to figure out why trans fluid is so dark, have no idea what PO has done or didnt do .. doesnt smell burnt, feels super slick in hand
I've been slowly changin the trans fluid .. bought this jeep 6 months, 1st automatic Ive owned .. 1993 base xj AW4 .. rebuilt motor at sometime, 228k total on clock
thanks to all the help on here, fluid swap seems to be good so far
swapped 7 quarts of trans fluid .. shifting better every change .. no pandoras box yet .. thinkin I may dump all of it ,, start fresh
is it possible for motor oil & trans fluid to mix somewhere? I do have the usual rear main leak .. dont seem to lose any trans fluid though .. tip of dipstick has some weird red lookin crud sometimes .. normal crud ? I plan on changin oil 1500 miles, til engine oil stops turning black so fast .. clean her out
YES .. using Wix filter now .. jeep had a fram when i bought it
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