Rotella: The world's first ever combined hair oil, foot ointment, and salad dressing
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Except one, the assumption that the 4.0L needs more zinc and phosphorous than gasoline engine motor oil provides. That hasn't been verified, and nobody has provided any research supporting it.
Suppose I tell you that Brawndo Diesel Oil is better for the 4.0L because it has more electrolytes, and electrolytes are what a 4.0L craves. If the 4.0L doesn't actually crave electrolytes, I haven't really proven that Brawndo is better.
This thread shows that Rotella is high in zinc and phosphorous. It doesn't show that higher zinc and phosphorous make any difference in the 4.0L. Maybe the 800 ppm limit in regular gasoline oil is enough. Nobody has been able to demonstrate that it isn't.
Suppose I tell you that Brawndo Diesel Oil is better for the 4.0L because it has more electrolytes, and electrolytes are what a 4.0L craves. If the 4.0L doesn't actually crave electrolytes, I haven't really proven that Brawndo is better.
This thread shows that Rotella is high in zinc and phosphorous. It doesn't show that higher zinc and phosphorous make any difference in the 4.0L. Maybe the 800 ppm limit in regular gasoline oil is enough. Nobody has been able to demonstrate that it isn't.
Or like multiple times in this thread that people have pointed out that because we don't truly know how well or poorly the motor was maintained in a used vehicle from the PO.... that at least erring on the safe side of running a few cycles with an oil that contains more detergents can help clean things out, and then use whatever you feel is best with your own research.
We're all here to share our thoughts and real-world experiences with our Jeeps and products for them. You take the information, learn from it, do some more of your own research (thinking for yourself)...and then make your own educated decision on what you're going to run in your own Jeep. We're discussing it like adults.. not bickering like a bunch of old ladies with nothing else to do.
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I'm not against Rotella. I'm against fads and bandwagons, especially when an effort has been made to persuade people to join up based on unproven assumptions. I'm especially against them when they begin to take on the characteristics of a cult, where disagreement with the accepted canon is not allowed.No! But I'm not arguing either one of those points, so there's no reason for me to go looking for any.I don't have a 4.0L. I have a 4.6L stroker, and I use Driven 10W30 Synthetic Hot Rod oil, which has more zinc and phosphorous than Rotella has ever had. I mean, that's stuff's crazy with zinc. It's got so much zinc the US Mint could mine my used oil to make pennies.
I'm guessing your thought process was headed in a similar direction. With our modified engines, you and I would have a reason to need the additional ZDDP, and we would understand why. We also might need a more robust detergent package to help wash out the excess zinc and phosphorous. I know I use the Driven oil instead of a ZDDP additive because the detergent package is balanced for the amount of ZDDP blended into it. But unlike a diesel oil, it's also balanced for more frequent heating and cooling cycles, to handle condensation.
Unlike us, 4.0L owners on the Rotella bandwagon don't really have any idea why they're using it. They just take it on faith that they need more zinc (It's what a motor craves!) to prevent cam failures that haven't happened and wear that hasn't worn.
I'm guessing your thought process was headed in a similar direction. With our modified engines, you and I would have a reason to need the additional ZDDP, and we would understand why. We also might need a more robust detergent package to help wash out the excess zinc and phosphorous. I know I use the Driven oil instead of a ZDDP additive because the detergent package is balanced for the amount of ZDDP blended into it. But unlike a diesel oil, it's also balanced for more frequent heating and cooling cycles, to handle condensation.
Unlike us, 4.0L owners on the Rotella bandwagon don't really have any idea why they're using it. They just take it on faith that they need more zinc (It's what a motor craves!) to prevent cam failures that haven't happened and wear that hasn't worn.
Now for some friendly debate regarding the Lucas additive. When this thread started a few years ago. Someone posted a video from Bob's "THE" oil guy about adding Lucas stabilizer to oil and it "foaming & milking" up. I called it out as bs because I saw ONE important thing others neglected. I was shot down and comments were deleted. Seeing as you seem to know a little about oil, do you want to know what that thing was? He added conventional oil additive to Synthetic oil. Now we both know you can't mix older conventionals and newer synthetics or else that happens WITHOUT additives. By the way guys, if you do use synthetic and feel you want to use Lucas, they do make one just for synthetics. Guess my overall point is, so.e may see or notice something others don't. If you do, not only bring it up but have something to help back it up. (This goes to ALL of us here) Hell, it took people almost a year to find out what I tried to show them. Lol
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This is the third time in a week this thread has needed to be cleaned up. Stay on topic, and stop bickering. Discussions are welcome, but let's act like adults, shall we?
If it gets out of hand again, I'm locking the thread.
If it gets out of hand again, I'm locking the thread.
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It's not the mixing of synthetic and conventional base oils that causes a problem. There is a RISK (not a guarantee) of issues from the mixture of the differing additives. Since one cannot separate the oil from the additives, this becomes semantic, but this whole thread is semantics since it is 60 pages of people discussing and repeatedly bickering about a hair-splitting difference between Rotella in the Jeep 4.0 and all the other oils (most of which do equally great in reality--my UOA's have all be equally great on German Castrol 0w30, PYB 5w30, and T6 5w40).
I'm all for hair-splitting and getting down in to nitty gritty science, but many of you seem to be forgetting that we are splitting hairs and taking this WAY too seriously. Many of you are also forgetting that this entire discussion is best handled scientifically rather than anecdotally or emotionally. Settle down and get your perspective back in order, please.
I'm all for hair-splitting and getting down in to nitty gritty science, but many of you seem to be forgetting that we are splitting hairs and taking this WAY too seriously. Many of you are also forgetting that this entire discussion is best handled scientifically rather than anecdotally or emotionally. Settle down and get your perspective back in order, please.
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