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Old Mar 3, 2014 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by grYthshAde
I live in Saskatchewan, Canada. We routinely see winters that can be as cold as -40C, -65C with the windchill, and summers that can be as high as 40C. (We had -68C [windchill] two days ago, believe it or not. It's days like that where you find every excuse to sleep in and hope that God doesn't damn you to doing something in the freezing hell outside.) I have a 99 XJ Classic, and she has 260,000km on the original motor right now. I've been running Mobil 1 Synthetic 5w30 for as long as I've had the Jeep, OCI of 4 months/6000km. She starts up every time I can't plug her in, and runs well enough for her age. This summer, I'm planning a complete engine rebuild from top to bottom, and I want to start her off right with this new motor. After reading your article, (which I have to say was amazing. Thank you for putting all that together!) I'm pretty convinced that T6 5w40 is a great oil for mild climates, but what about my extreme region? Our weather goes all over the place, and I want Sparta to be happy and healthy all year round. Would you still recommend T6 5w40 for my climate, or should I continue using Mobil 1 5w30 in this new motor?

Thanks so much! As a mechanic's apprentice, I can't say enough how much I enjoy articles like this that are informative and useful.
It should be very easy for you to find some 0w40. If you can find some of the T6 stuff I'd love to know about it! hankthetank runs T5 0w40, same price at Canadian Tire and right there beside it on the shelf, and he's around Edmonton (I think)

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Thanks for the writeup salad.

I have a rebuilt engine with about 1500 miles. Would you say its a little too early for the T6? I run 10w30 Valvoline conventional right now.

Also do you still recommend the T6 in a climate that will experience 5º-100º?
I don't know much about the breakin process to comment on the mileage. If it's been properly broken in then do what you like. Any 5w40 synthetic is a fine choice for that temperature range.
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Old Mar 5, 2014 | 09:38 AM
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I have a genuine question..... A long time back I read an article that oil with weights that are 5w40 or 0w40 are bad because of the viscosity changes the oil had to go thru.... any insight on this?

Regardless I always try to use 15w40 being from South Texas and all. Mild winters but extreme summers. Though this winter seems to be a little longer lasting then others but I think I still should be ok with this oil in the low 40's
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Old Mar 5, 2014 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by NCsXJ
I have a genuine question..... A long time back I read an article that oil with weights that are 5w40 or 0w40 are bad because of the viscosity changes the oil had to go thru.... any insight on this?
Not sure what you mean by this, can you elaborate?

I can only guess that it was an article discussing how Viscosity Index Improvers betrayed performance when used in too great of a quantity tryig to make mineral oil perform like a synthetic at cold temps. Any of the synthetic xw40s is appropriate for use across the entire temperature range. They don't suddenly turn into SAE70 during Spring or something.
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Originally Posted by salad
Not sure what you mean by this, can you elaborate?

I can only guess that it was an article discussing how Viscosity Index Improvers betrayed performance when used in too great of a quantity tryig to make mineral oil perform like a synthetic at cold temps. Any of the synthetic xw40s is appropriate for use across the entire temperature range. They don't suddenly turn into SAE70 during Spring or something.
The article was about conventional oil and not synthetic. I'll have to look for it. It's been about a 6 months that I read it.
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Old Mar 5, 2014 | 11:11 AM
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http://www.upmpg.com/tech_articles/motoroil_viscosity/ here it is under the subtopic "Drawbacks" towards middle of page
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Old Mar 5, 2014 | 12:38 PM
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Everything wears out. They do not say when it has worn out. They make it seem like a week after its in it is no good. Miles or hours are missing from their information.
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Old Mar 5, 2014 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by may pop
Everything wears out. They do not say when it has worn out. They make it seem like a week after its in it is no good. Miles or hours are missing from their information.
Which is what I figured. Anyhow riding with the T6 shouldn't be so bad
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Old Mar 5, 2014 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by NCsXJ
http://www.upmpg.com/tech_articles/motoroil_viscosity/ here it is under the subtopic "Drawbacks" towards middle of page
Not applicable here. Hasn't really mattered outside of racing applications or the last ten years anyway, or if you're trying to get 10k miles out of cheap dino juice.
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Old Mar 20, 2014 | 09:48 PM
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Almost got all my data for the requested oils:

Royal Purple 5w30
Royal Purple HPS 10w30
AMSOIL OE 5w30
AMSOIL Z-ROD 10w30
Brad Penn FSGF 5w30
Brad Penn Penn-Grade 1 10w30
Pennzoil High Mileage 5w30

Expect the main page to be updated in a couple days.

As well - fellow Canucks take notice - Canadian Tire has started stocking Rotella T6 0w40! Haven't seen it in person yet but there're apparently 5 jugs at my closest store. I'm excited to go try some but I have 15L of 5w40 already on the shelf and winter is on the way out... hmmm
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Old Mar 21, 2014 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by salad
Almost got all my data for the requested oils:

Royal Purple 5w30
Royal Purple HPS 10w30
AMSOIL OE 5w30
AMSOIL Z-ROD 10w30
Brad Penn FSGF 5w30
Brad Penn Penn-Grade 1 10w30
Pennzoil High Mileage 5w30

Expect the main page to be updated in a couple days.

As well - fellow Canucks take notice - Canadian Tire has started stocking Rotella T6 0w40! Haven't seen it in person yet but there're apparently 5 jugs at my closest store. I'm excited to go try some but I have 15L of 5w40 already on the shelf and winter is on the way out... hmmm
Glad to see you're still working on it Salad. Thought it got put on the back burner. Great stuff man
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Old Mar 22, 2014 | 02:12 AM
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I love reading this thread. Great info.
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Old Mar 22, 2014 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by salad
Obviously for an oil to be certified under a given API or ILSAC category it must pass certain engine wear tests. These tests are performed on vehicles like a 1996 Buick, not a 1983 rehash of a 1962 design. With a flat tappet cam follower, as opposed to a roller cam follower, sliding forces and pressures at the cam lobe are extremely high. With reduced levels of ZDDP one would assume that molybdenum and boron additives can be added to pick up the slack. However, this is not always the case. Some oils don’t even have them! A good coating of zinc is very important in preventing wear not only during break-in, but to maintain it throughout the life of the engine. At any rate, the SM and SN performance tests are clearly not enough for older flat tappet cam engines:

Again, the Seq. IVA Cam Wear test is performed on an engine with slider-type followers, NOT roller. Please stop spreading this stuff. In a modified engine with increased valve spring pressures, this is probably a concern. In a production engine? Nah.


The SM and SN tests ARE enough for our engines. Is Rotella a fine oil? Sure. Will other SM/SN oils serve our engines well? Sure.


I don't care one bit which oil you like, or use, but please stop with the misinformation.
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Old Mar 22, 2014 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by belvedere
Again, the Seq. IVA Cam Wear test is performed on an engine with slider-type followers, NOT roller.
I am not sure where you read that. There are two separate sentences with two separate points. I have edited that paragraph to make this more obvious.

Originally Posted by belvedere
Please stop spreading this stuff. In a modified engine with increased valve spring pressures, this is probably a concern. In a production engine? Nah.

The SM and SN tests ARE enough for our engines. Is Rotella a fine oil? Sure. Will other SM/SN oils serve our engines well? Sure.
Not sure what I'm "spreading", exactly. I have formed my own opinion based on the data I have collected. Yes, a lot of it is circumstantial, and I am not an expert in this field. If you've read the data I've collected - including the VOAs that indisputably verify the total lack of appropriate anti-wear additives of many conventional PCMOs - and disagree on certain points I'd like to hear it. But if you're just reacting to a single poorly-worded paragraph because some ignorants on Yahoo Answers parrot things without understanding it please chill out a bit.

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I don't care one bit which oil you like, or use, but please stop with the misinformation.
Really? What's that? Please be specific.
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Old Mar 22, 2014 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by salad
But if you're just reacting to a single poorly-worded paragraph because some ignorants on Yahoo Answers parrot things without understanding it please chill out a bit.

No clue what you're talking about here.
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Old Mar 22, 2014 | 10:22 AM
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Was just a guess. Same type of people who love blocks and AALs lol
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