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Old 01-28-2013, 02:44 PM
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My jeep had always had a low and irregular idle. It varies between 400- 550 rpms at idle. All of my friends jeeps have a perfect and steady idle at around 750. What is wrong with my jeep? I have replaced the idle control valve and the spark plugs and change oil at recommended mileages. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

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The Idle Air Control (IAC) is mounted on the back of the throttle body. (front for 87-90) The valve controls the idle speed of the engine by controlling the amount of air flowing through the air control passage. It consists of a stepper motor that moves a pintle shaped plunger in and out of the air control passage. When the valve plunger is moved in, the air control passage flows more air which raises the idle speed. When the valve plunger is moved out, the air control passage flows less air which lowers the idle speed. Over time and miles, the IAC can get carboned up which can have an adverse affect on idle quality. Cleaning the IAC may restore proper function and is an easy procedure to perform and good preventive maintenance so it is never a bad idea.

CLEANING THE JEEP 4.0 IDLE AIR CONTROL

Remove the air filter cover, associated hoses and the rubber boot that goes from the air filter cover to the throttle body. Remove the IAC with a torx driver (2 bolts; one can be kind of hard to get to)

"Gently" wiggle out the IAC from the throttle body. Gasket on the IAC can be re-used if it is not damaged

Clean the IAC with a spray can of throttle body cleaner; inexpensive and available at any place that sells auto parts. Throttle body cleaner is recommended rather than carburetor cleaner as it is less harsh, safe for throttle body coatings and is best for this task. Use cleaner, a rag and a toothbrush and or Q-Tips. Be gentle; don’t twist or pull on the pintle that protrudes from the IAC as it is fragile and you could damage it.

Thoroughly spray clean and flush where the IAC seats in the throttle body with the same spray cleaner

It is also a good idea to clean the entire throttle body itself, the butterfly valve inside of the throttle body and all associated linkage as long as you have things disassembled


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I have done this already and this isnt the issue but thanks
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Throttle position sensor or maybe oxygen sensor(s)
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The throttle position sensor is connected to the throttle shaft on the throttle body. It sends throttle valve angle information to the PCM. The PCM uses this information to determine how much fuel the engine needs. The TPS is really just a simple potentiometer with one end connected to 5 volts from the PCM and the other to ground. A third wire is connected to the PCM. As you move the accelerator pedal with your foot, the output of the TPS changes. At a closed throttle position, the output of the TPS is low, about a half a volt. As the throttle valve opens, the output increases so that, at wide open throttle, the output voltage should be above 3.9 volts. Testing can be performed with an electrical meter. Analog meter is best. You are looking for a smooth sweep of voltage throughout the entire throttle band. While slowly opening and closing the throttle, take note to the movement of the voltmeter needle. There should be a direct relationship between the needle motion to the motion of the throttle. If at anytime the needle moves abruptly or inconsistently with the movement of the throttle, the TPS is bad

You should have 5 volts going into the TPS. At idle, TPS output voltage must be greater than 200 millivolts. At wide open throttle (WOT), TPS output voltage must be less than 4.8 volts.. The best is to use an analog meter (not digital) to see if the transition from idle to WOT is smooth with no dead spots. With your meter set for volts, put the black probe on a good ground like your negative battery terminal. With the key on, engine not running, test with the red probe of your meter (install a paper clip into the back of the plug of the TPS) to see which wire has the 5 volts. One of the other wires should show .26V (or so). The other wire will be the ground and should show no voltage. Move the throttle and look for smooth meter response up to the 4.49 at WOT.

Perform the test procedure again and wiggle and/or tap on the TPS while you watch the meter. If you notice any flat spots or abrupt changes in the meter readings, replace the TPS.

The TPS is sensitive to heat, moisture and vibration leading to the failure of some units. The sensor is a sealed unit and cannot be repaired only replaced. A TPS may fail gradually leading to a number of symptoms which can include one or more of the following: -

NOTE: The throttle position sensor is also DIRECTLY involved with transmission shifting characteristics! It should be verified early in the troubleshooting process, when a transmission issue is suspected!

• Poor idle control: The TPS is used by the ECU to determine if the throttle is closed and the car should be using the Idle Air Control Valve exclusively for idle control. A fault TPS sensor can confuse the ECU causing the idle to be erratic or "hunting".
• High Idle Speed: The TPS may report faulty values causing the engine idle speed to be increased above normal. This is normally found in conjunction with a slow engine return to idle speed symptom.
• Slow engine return to idle: A failing TPS can report the minimum throttle position values incorrectly which can stop the engine entering idle mode when the throttle is closed. Normally when the throttle is closed the engine fuel injectors will be deactivated until a defined engine RPM speed is reached and the engine brought smoothly to idle speed. When failing a TPS will not report the throttle closed and fueling will continue causing the engine to return to idle very slowly.
• Engine Hesitation on Throttle Application: The TPS is also used by the ECU to determine if the driver has applied the throttle quicker than the Manifold Air Pressure sensor can read. The fueling is adjusted acordingly to cope with the sudden increase in air volume, however a faulty sensor can cause the ECU to ignore this data and the engine will "hesitate" when applying the throttle. In extreme cases with the engine at idle, a sudden application of full throttle can stall the engine.
• Engine Misfire: A fault TPS can report values outside the deined acceptable range causing the ECU to incorrectly fuel the engine. This is noticable as a slight misfire and can trigger the misfire detection software and/or Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) light on the dashboard. Extreme cases can cause excessing misfires resulting in one or more cylinders being shut down to prevent engine and catalytic converter damage.
The CCV system is also used to bring air into the intake manifold at idle. The PCM budgets for this extra air when setting the IAC. Make sure that the hoses, fittings, and orifices in the elbows on top of the valve clover are not blocked with goo
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The CCV system is also used to bring air into the intake manifold at idle. The PCM budgets for this extra air when setting the IAC. Make sure that the hoses, fittings, and orifices in the elbows on top of the valve clover are not blocked with goo
I replaced tps sensor and still no fix. I have a 2000 cherokee by the way so has different parts than previous models
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Please guys help me out. I want my jeep to run normal. I am counting on you guys for help
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Other than the fact that the idle is low and irregular does it run fine? I know mine has always idled high at around 1200 ever since I got it. It idles smoothly there though.
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Check the IAC (idle air control)
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Other than the fact that the idle is low and irregular does it run fine? I know mine has always idled high at around 1200 ever since I got it. It idles smoothly there though.
No I would honestly say that it runs rough.
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Originally Posted by coloradowheeler
Check the IAC (idle air control)
I read a walk through on here about how to clean the idle control valve and the system connected to it. I am going to go to auto zone tomorrow to get some cleaner. Any certain cleaner you could recommend to me would be most helpful
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How many miles on it? Have you thought about looking at your cat? What about the cps?
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Originally Posted by modelcar
How many miles on it? Have you thought about looking at your cat? What about the cps?
I It has really close to 49,000 miles on it. It is a 2000 Cherokee sport 4x4 if that helps yall out a little bit.
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Originally Posted by Mlcantin
I read a walk through on here about how to clean the idle control valve and the system connected to it. I am going to go to auto zone tomorrow to get some cleaner. Any certain cleaner you could recommend to me would be most helpful
Just carb or throttle body cleaner
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Originally Posted by coloradowheeler
Just carb or throttle body cleaner
I heard that using carb cleaner is actually worse than regular throttle body cleaner (according to mister tjwalker). Can you name a brand of a straight up throttle body cleaner for me because I am stumped.


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