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Old 07-13-2014, 09:26 AM
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Hey guys, I just recently purchased a 88 Cherokee limited with the AW4 transmission, and it seems to me like its acting weird? I dont know if its normal or not because i havent driven a automatic in 4 years

But anywho what its doing is while in drive the transmission stays at around 2K constantly, even when it shifts it will only drop to around 1800. And when it trys to go into 4th it will go 3rd, 4th,3rd, 4th, then once it hits 45mph it makes a clunk and jolts for a split second as if someone tapped the brakes. and plus when I'm on hills eispecially steep ones it constantly wants to stay in its highest gear and doesent want to downshift. thus making the engine labour and get hot. Oh and plus the PO said he had just changed the fluid and put in a new transmission filter kit. and the fluid does look nice and red and doesent smell burnt.

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[PS sorry if my writing seems rushed/run-on, its 3am while I'm posting this.lol]
Old 07-13-2014, 09:31 AM
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Start by adjusting the TPS. You could have a weak or bad shift solenoid. Finally you may have found the reason the Jeep was for sale.
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1. Test the TPS:

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The throttle position sensor is connected to the throttle shaft on the throttle body. It sends throttle valve angle information to the PCM. The PCM uses this information to determine how much fuel the engine needs. The TPS is really just a simple potentiometer with one end connected to 5 volts from the PCM and the other to ground. A third wire is connected to the PCM. As you move the accelerator pedal with your foot, the output of the TPS changes. At a closed throttle position, the output of the TPS is low, about a half a volt. As the throttle valve opens, the output increases so that, at wide open throttle, the output voltage should be above 3.9 volts. Testing can be performed with an electrical meter. Analog meter is best. You are looking for a smooth sweep of voltage throughout the entire throttle band. While slowly opening and closing the throttle, take note to the movement of the voltmeter needle. There should be a direct relationship between the needle motion to the motion of the throttle. If at anytime the needle moves abruptly or inconsistently with the movement of the throttle, the TPS is bad

You should have 5 volts going into the TPS. At idle, TPS output voltage must be greater than 200 millivolts. At wide open throttle (WOT), TPS output voltage must be less than 4.8 volts.. The best is to use an analog meter (not digital) to see if the transition from idle to WOT is smooth with no dead spots. With your meter set for volts, put the black probe on a good ground like your negative battery terminal. With the key on, engine not running, test with the red probe of your meter (install a paper clip into the back of the plug of the TPS) to see which wire has the 5 volts. One of the other wires should show .26V (or so). The other wire will be the ground and should show no voltage. Move the throttle and look for smooth meter response up to the 4.49 at WOT.

Perform the test procedure again and wiggle and/or tap on the TPS while you watch the meter. If you notice any flat spots or abrupt changes in the meter readings, replace the TPS.

The TPS is sensitive to heat, moisture and vibration leading to the failure of some units. The sensor is a sealed unit and cannot be repaired only replaced. A TPS may fail gradually leading to a number of symptoms which can include one or more of the following: -

NOTE: The throttle position sensor is also DIRECTLY involved with transmission shifting characteristics! It should be verified early in the troubleshooting process, when a transmission issue is suspected!

• Poor idle control: The TPS is used by the ECU to determine if the throttle is closed and the car should be using the Idle Air Control Valve exclusively for idle control. A fault TPS sensor can confuse the ECU causing the idle to be erratic or "hunting".
• High Idle Speed: The TPS may report faulty values causing the engine idle speed to be increased above normal. This is normally found in conjunction with a slow engine return to idle speed symptom.
• Slow engine return to idle: A failing TPS can report the minimum throttle position values incorrectly which can stop the engine entering idle mode when the throttle is closed. Normally when the throttle is closed the engine fuel injectors will be deactivated until a defined engine RPM speed is reached and the engine brought smoothly to idle speed. When failing a TPS will not report the throttle closed and fueling will continue causing the engine to return to idle very slowly.
• Engine Hesitation on Throttle Application: The TPS is also used by the ECU to determine if the driver has applied the throttle quicker than the Manifold Air Pressure sensor can read. The fueling is adjusted accordingly to cope with the sudden increase in air volume, however a faulty sensor can cause the ECU to ignore this data and the engine will "hesitate" when applying the throttle. In extreme cases with the engine at idle, a sudden application of full throttle can stall the engine.
• Engine Misfire: A fault TPS can report values outside the denied acceptable range causing the ECU to incorrectly fuel the engine. This is noticeable as a slight misfire and can trigger the misfire detection software and/or Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) light on the dashboard. Extreme cases can cause excessing misfires resulting in one or more cylinders being shut down to prevent engine and catalytic converter damage.

2. Adjust the Throttle Valve cable: http://www.allpar.com/SUVs/jeep/cher...nsmission.html


3. Any idea what fluid he put in the transmission? Dexron III/Mercon fluid is the correct juice, but some people have been using ATF+4 which can cause problems similar to this.


4. Ever notice if the brake light flashes? A poor brake light switch will unlock the torque converter (as the transmission computer thinks you are hitting the brakes) and cause similar funniness in high gears.
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Originally Posted by salad
1. Test the TPS:




2. Adjust the Throttle Valve cable: http://www.allpar.com/SUVs/jeep/cher...nsmission.html


3. Any idea what fluid he put in the transmission? Dexron III/Mercon fluid is the correct juice, but some people have been using ATF+4 which can cause problems similar to this.


4. Ever notice if the brake light flashes? A poor brake light switch will unlock the torque converter (as the transmission computer thinks you are hitting the brakes) and cause similar funniness in high gears.
Come on Salad. Those are instructions for new-fangled Jeeps.
He needs MY instructions for a Renix!!

I agree with the TV cable adjustment, bu the TPS needs to be adjusted per my link post #8, trans side.

Actually, since he has an 88, Posts 1 through 5, and #10, should be done before doing anything else.
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Whoops looks like I had a TLC moment.

Yes ignore the OBD-II TPS stuff. Dinosaurs use different parameters.
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