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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 08:29 PM
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Default 784 injectors might have killed me :/

Within the past couple weeks I've done a full tune up.

-New CPS
-New spark plugs and wires
-New distributor cap and rotor
-New IAC
-New TPS sensor

And last but not least,
-784 injector swap


I put the injectors in today, and it fired right up. Drove it for about 70 miles, stopped and got out. After about 10 minutes, got back in, and it wouldn't start. It took about 45 seconds, and three attempts to crank before it turned over. I also had to give it some gas.

Hour later, same scenario, same issue starting.

Anybody know what it could be, or how to fix it?
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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 08:30 PM
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injectors could be getting heat soak, they could be leaking. Hard to say really. Obvious solution is to put the stock injectors back in.
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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 08:30 PM
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Did you clean them all? Were they new or JY pulls?
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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 08:33 PM
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Could be heat soak. The connectors might also be bad. What year is your XJ? It's not in your post, title, or profile.
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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rearwardassist
Did you clean them all? Were they new or JY pulls?
I ordered them from a member on here who seems to sell quite a few of these. I was told they were cleaned and checked before shipping.

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Could be heat soak. The connectors might also be bad. What year is your XJ? It's not in your post, title, or profile.
1999.
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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeroCherokee
Within the past couple weeks I've done a full tune up.

-New CPS
-New spark plugs and wires
-New distributor cap and rotor
-New IAC
-New TPS sensor

And last but not least,
-784 injector swap


I put the injectors in today, and it fired right up. Drove it for about 70 miles, stopped and got out. After about 10 minutes, got back in, and it wouldn't start. It took about 45 seconds, and three attempts to crank before it turned over. I also had to give it some gas.

Hour later, same scenario, same issue starting.

Anybody know what it could be, or how to fix it?
Are you saying 'turned over', as in the engine rotating via the starter or are you saying running on its own?

Does giving it some gas mean you pushed the gas pedal down?

Have you checked the fuel pressure at the fuel rail? Should be 49.2 psi +/- 5 psi. Fuel pressure leak down after the shutting the fuel pump off? Should not drop below 30 psi for five minutes. If there is a rapid drop off there may be a leaky fuel injector or a bad check valve in the fuel pump module. Some fuel pressure kits you can rent have the hose set up where you can isolate leaking injectors or pump check valves.

Having to depress the gas pedal while starting may mean there is residual fuel in the intake and adding air by opening the throttle plate leans it out enough to start. A leaking fuel injector will cause this problem.
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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by CCKen
Are you saying 'turned over', as in the engine rotating via the starter or are you saying running on its own?

Does giving it some gas mean you pushed the gas pedal down?

Have you checked the fuel pressure at the fuel rail? Should be 49.2 psi +/- 5 psi. Fuel pressure leak down after the shutting the fuel pump off? Should not drop below 30 psi for five minutes. If there is a rapid drop off there may be a leaky fuel injector or a bad check valve in the fuel pump module. Some fuel pressure kits you can rent have the hose set up where you can isolate leaking injectors or pump check valves.

Having to depress the gas pedal while starting may mean there is residual fuel in the intake and adding air by opening the throttle plate leans it out enough to start. A leaking fuel injector will cause this problem.
Turned over as in running on its own.

Giving it gas was me pushing the pedal down.

The fuel pressure is fine also. I forgot to put in my OP, but the fuel pump assembly is also brand new. Less than 50 miles on it.

Should I just send these back then? Because I seem to be the only person that has had a problem with the seller on this forum.
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Old Sep 15, 2012 | 11:48 AM
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Bump.
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Old Sep 15, 2012 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeroCherokee
The fuel pressure is fine also. I forgot to put in my OP, but the fuel pump assembly is also brand new. Less than 50 miles on it.
Just out of curiosity what brand?

Pump pressure was checked at the rail using a gauge during this no start?

Had a solid nasty white spark as well?
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Old Sep 15, 2012 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbo X_J
Just out of curiosity what brand?

Pump pressure was checked at the rail using a gauge during this no start?

Had a solid nasty white spark as well?
It was a Bosch assembly.

I was out on the trail when the no start was happening, so if it acts up today, I'll give it another go.
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Old Sep 15, 2012 | 12:16 PM
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Did you reset the PCM at the end of your installation?

Give it a shot if you didn't, it's located towards the end of this write up.
https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f51/in...ap-4-0l-92149/
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Old Sep 15, 2012 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by storm101
Did you reset the PCM at the end of your installation?

Give it a shot if you didn't, it's located towards the end of this write up.
https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f51/in...ap-4-0l-92149/
I reset it again, still not helping. But now it's having the problem when it's cold. I went to start it this morning, and still took about 30 seconds.
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Old Sep 15, 2012 | 04:20 PM
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Do you still have the original OEM injectors you could reinstall to see if it makes a difference? If it does then I would return the 784's for a bench check to see if they leak.
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Old Sep 15, 2012 | 10:47 PM
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I checked to see if any of them leaked, and sure enough, #6 was. Swapped out my stock one, and runs like a top. Thanks everyone for the input.
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Old Sep 15, 2012 | 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeroCherokee
I checked to see if any of them leaked, and sure enough, #6 was. Swapped out my stock one, and runs like a top. Thanks everyone for the input.
How did you check for leaks, just interesting to know how to do it :-)
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