Are lunchbox lockers sufficient?
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Not sure where you guys wheel that locking the front works so much better, but from my experience if you can only lock one axle, and you play in the rocks, lock the rear. Anytime you start climbing ledges and the weight transfers to the rear the front axle is unloaded and a locked front becomes about as useless as a limited slip differential up front.
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Originally Posted by Rock Toy
Not sure where you guys wheel that locking the front works so much better, but from my experience if you can only lock one axle, and you play in the rocks, lock the rear. Anytime you start climbing ledges and the weight transfers to the rear the front axle is unloaded and a locked front becomes about as useless as a limited slip differential up front.
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Sorry you disagree, but the fact is when you unload the front while climbing most of your traction will be from the rear tires. I've been wheeling for over 35 years so I'm not a newbie at this, there are situations that the front axle would work better than the rear locked, just not many that can't be over come with a little knowledge and some thought.
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Yes, most of your traction will be transferred to the back. That's why your front end needs a locker! To make up for the lost traction. You have all that weight now on the back, what is the chance of spinning your back tire and losing traction? Not likely, if you don't have problems with losing traction on that back tire, why do you need to lock another one in? The front is a different story. Another advantage to a locked front on the rocks as mentioned earlier is the ability to walk the front end left to right to find the sweet spot with the most available traction and overcome the obstacle. It is not as easy and in even some cases not possible to "walk" an open front end on the rocks...
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Originally Posted by Rock Toy
Sorry you disagree, but the fact is when you unload the front while climbing most of your traction will be from the rear tires. I've been wheeling for over 35 years so I'm not a newbie at this, there are situations that the front axle would work better than the rear locked, just not many that can't be over come with a little knowledge and some thought.
I've been in that situation plenty of times with an open front. And sure, you could bump at it and throttle through... but that is not very graceful and leads to broken parts. And not everyone else is as willing to abuse there jeep like I am
And on the same obstacles Ive watched locked fronts ease right up the rocks.
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Yes, most of your traction will be transferred to the back. That's why your front end needs a locker! To make up for the lost traction. You have all that weight now on the back, what is the chance of spinning your back tire and losing traction? Not likely, if you don't have problems with losing traction on that back tire, why do you need to lock another one in? The front is a different story. Another advantage to a locked front on the rocks as mentioned earlier is the ability to walk the front end left to right to find the sweet spot with the most available traction and overcome the obstacle. It is not as easy and in even some cases not possible to "walk" an open front end on the rocks...
Sorry, but like my first statement not sure where you wheel, but where I wheel If I only had one axle locked it would be the rear.
Also in most cases to walk an axle you need to be able to shift the front and rear axle separately so that the emergency brake can be used to stop the rear axle from moving, while you use the front to move the front of your rig.
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If you're on a tight trail and come up to a 2'+rock that will only touch one tire, and you put your front tire up against that rock and try to climb it that tire that's not touching the rock will want to spin leaving the tire that's on the rock useless. And if your rear tires are not on a surface with enough traction you wont be climbing that rock.
I've been in that situation plenty of times with an open front. And sure, you could bump at it and throttle through... but that is not very graceful and leads to broken parts. And not everyone else is as willing to abuse there jeep like I am
And on the same obstacles Ive watched locked fronts ease right up the rocks.
I've been in that situation plenty of times with an open front. And sure, you could bump at it and throttle through... but that is not very graceful and leads to broken parts. And not everyone else is as willing to abuse there jeep like I am
And on the same obstacles Ive watched locked fronts ease right up the rocks.
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Originally Posted by VTJeep
Ok. I've got the end all solution: lock both axles. There. Your welcome.
just kidding.
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