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I'm interested in a set for 200

Yep. Ricer. Most HID's are stupid blinding, and the color of them is annoying. Maybe I'd be more open to them if the color temperature wasn't that of your typical LED/blue/whatever. Also, over here on the east coast, most everyone I see with HID's on their car is an obvious douche, and they are very likely to have an accompanying Monster energy sticker on the back. I can't imagine that being much different over there on the other side, but you know what they say about opinions...I'm just a classic kind of guy and I hate 99% of cars newer than the 90's. (Before you go calling me an old fart, let me state that I'm 25)

Take a look at this rig (and I apologize to whomever's XJ this is on here)



Those headlights are fugly and annoying to most other drivers. Why not make HID's that are the same temperature as the lights on the roof rack? (maybe a little higher) That would be great. Maybe they exist already, but I sure have never seen them. Why do they have to be blue???? You can't tell me that illuminating everything in this stupid blue light is better for your night vision while driving than a halogen (or the color temperature of halogen, rather). The blue light is going to distort the true colors of your surroundings moreso than a "warmer" temperature would.

Take a look at this chart that I found in my research on this topic, and I agree with 100%...



I would agree that 5000K seems to be the best all-around temperature and much past that is rice. I might even go for something like 4500.

Now from a business perspective, you want to offer a product that will please as many markets/opinions as possible. So perhaps with this kit you could offer a variety of color temperatures and options for the customer to customize their kit. I'm perfectly happy with a good halogen myself, and I'd be interested in an H4 conversion / new housings kit alone as I'd love to see something new on the market besides the Autopal, E-Code, Hella, Rampage, etc. being offered. Also, include a custom wiring harness with relays for those who wouldn't want HIDs (which require ballasts, from my understanding).

It also might be worth noting you could market this kit to many different vehicle types as this style of OEM "sealed-beam" lights are very common across many different brands and models. I've even seen motorcycles with them.

Apologies for the long and biased post, but just thought I'd provide a deep insight into what your options for this area could be as a business owner. I realize that you wouldn't need to go this far with it and still make money off of it, but you'd be reaching more of the market and have a lot more happy customers

No apologies needed. Quite the contrary, I like to hear personal opinions of future customers as that is the best way to develope a product.

I agree about the color/temp rating. 5000 would be the standard but we would definitely make any other temp a selectable option. I was also playing around with the idea of custom housing colors instead of just the black and chrome. (I assume you would prefer the black vs a color match to vehicle paint)

The biggest point to hit on in your post is the misconception that "HIDs are stupid blinding". This is simply not true on a properly set up housing. What you are seeing is the guys that stick a HID bulb into a standard H4 housing like I mentioned earlier. This simply doesn't work. To properly setup an HID housing you need to use an actual projector housing that includes the high/low beam cut off and solenoid. This essentially blocks the light above a certain height so you don't blind oncoming vehicles.

Chris if you can do it for $200 for a pair, I will buy 2 sets ! 1 for the XJ and 1 for the YJ !

Custom housing colors? Hmm, that could be interesting. Considering my old-fashioned nature, I'd probably opt for a more "traditional" style, personally, but would be interested in seeing what color options would look like.

And I agree, but perhaps the laws here in PA haven't been adapted for this tech. The ricers around here all do it and it does appear that they just throw HID's in their existing housings. Idiots! Another reason to hate ricers, haha. I also know of an XJ around that has the Delta housings and stupid HID's in them. I would assume that some of the newer vehicles that appear to have HID's are certainly set up correctly as I have noticed they certainly aren't as blinding as the retrofits. But darn, even they are just too blue for me.

I agree, the blue color is very annoying.

I agree anything past 6K is annoying

My HID Offroad lights are 6K they are nice and white with a very very slight blue tint but its subtle not in your face

I am on the east coast.....and probably only 20 mins away.....and I like the 6k in my heads and fogs, very nice light output for night driving imo. But that's in my 06 turbo Grand Cherokee SRT8...Ricer you say. Have a set in my TJ as well.....when these come out then I will have "ricer" HIDs on my XJ for the simple fact of brightness. I don't like straining my eyes at night because of the stock lighting. Might as well be 2 candles out front....lol

HAHA! After driving my BMW for 2 years (which only has H4s) while I was building my jeep; I finally got my jeep done and completely forgot how horrible the headlights were. I checked multiple times to make sure they were actually working as they were about as bright as my BMWs running lights! Lol

LOL, well have you upgraded to true projection housings for your TJ and XJ (I'm sure the SRT8 already has them)? I'd be interested in seeing it if you were ever in the area. Nice to know some more locals around me on the forums!

Yea with pmondo said I have had 6 different hid brand over the years from when the first came out to the everyone can afford china bay. From past experience if your going to build a projector housing I would put money in LEDs projectors. I have tried out both JW Speakers and Trucklite headlights, currently running Trucklites. I wouldn't go back to hids because of 2 things, the wiring and the ballast. That being said if your still interested in Hids the absolute best Hids I have ever had are from http://www.theretrofitsource.com. Personally using and seeing the Morimitos and Hella projectors in person simply amazing. Idk kinda rambling but just look at Rigid and olympusoffroad in how much they have jumped in one year. If you were going to make a a projector housing again I would personally pay for a LEDs over hid. Also trucklite and JW speaker use 4500k so it looks a little white not blue at all, when I ran Hids 4300k was the best. Last I know right now there is only a high powered h7 led worth using for headlight bulb drop in but you need a bi projector to use it otherwise you will only have low beams. Also unless if you had an older Chevy that uses four h7 bulbs for high beams but you wouldn't get that nice cutoff that projectors have. I will try and find the thread on the h7 I know one of the other car forums had good reviews on it.

I have to add don't waste your time with bulbs other than Philips or Sylvania, AKA OEM bulbs. The color accuracy, light distribution (no hotspots/dead spots just smooth light output all the way across) and total output can't be matched by knockoff cheap bulbs made in china. They also come up to temp quicker. Well worth the $70 to $100 per bulb. My 35w 4300k bulbs output as much pure white light as cheap 55w bulbs.

I'd be in for a $200 HID kit with a bi xenon projector that has a stepped cutoff. If your going to give a choice of color temp's can you give the option to purchase OEM bulbs as well? Again I don't think the quality of OEM bulbs can be overstated.

Apparently I stand corrected vleds sells plug in led headlights for multiple sizes as well as idjmtoy sells led headlight bulbs.

it has high and low beam and it doesn't scater the light beam all crazy. ill take pic when it gets dark.