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Can someone PLEASE explain the difference between Warn locking hubs, a locker, etc???

Old Mar 21, 2013 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by SeriousOffroad
No. The gear oil still going to get splashed around just from the movement of the vehicle.

Won't hurt anything at all. Manual hubs have been around for a long time and are a well-proven design.
I know pickups have them still. Wasn't sure if pumpkins are designed different on manual hub vehicles. Thanks.
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DieselD
How much of a MPGs increase could locking hubs really give?
Unlocking you mean. I guess theres less resistance on the vehicle if the tires can just spin without have to turn anything
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 10:00 AM
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Yea. Unlocked locking hubs lol.

Any data around? I mean 1-2 mpgs maybe? I dunno.

I guess it shouldn't be your only reason to get selectable hubs.
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 10:02 AM
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.5 to 1 brazillion.


Far to many variables to quantify a specific number.
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by SeriousOffroad
.5 to 1 brazillion.


Far to many variables to quantify a specific number.
Maybe ill report em. Bought to have to remove front ds to rebuild DC joint and the u joints too.

OP, hope your question was answered and understood
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by PocketsEmpty
Locking hubs are a different animal from a differential locker. With the Dana 30, the wheels are connected to the axles and the differential at all times (with the exception of some older, pre-92 cherokees I believe, someone correct me if I am wrong). This means that when you are driving in 2wd, the front wheels will be spinning the shafts and gears and your front driveshaft. Warn lockout hubs allow you to disconnect the wheels from the axles, so that they are not always spinning while driving around in 2wd. They can be convenient if you have a "locker" in the front axle so the wheels don't bind up on turns.
How's that work with the np242? Since it has the full time option I thought that during a turn it would sense that and unlock the inside hub allowing you to turn?
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by cherokeelaredo'90

How's that work with the np242? Since it has the full time option I thought that during a turn it would sense that and unlock the inside hub allowing you to turn?
No, hubs have nothing to do with t-cases.
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by cherokeelaredo'90
How's that work with the np242? Since it has the full time option I thought that during a turn it would sense that and unlock the inside hub allowing you to turn?
Schirm is correct, the hubs do not involve the transfer case directly. The Np242 full-time feature acts as an open differential between your front and rear axle. When you put it into 4hi or 4lo, it locks the power between both axles, just as a locker would in your D30.
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by PocketsEmpty

Schirm is correct, the hubs do not involve the transfer case directly. The Np242 full-time feature acts as an open differential between your front and rear axle. When you put it into 4hi or 4lo, it locks the power between both axles, just as a locker would in your D30.
Not fully exactly. The np242 has a viscous coupler which allows a difference in speed between the front and rear wheels. This allows you to drive in full time on dry pavement and not bind up cause the wheels are all trying to go the same speed. Secondly, when the np231 and 242 goes into hi or lo yes it sends power to all the wheels but not like a locker. If you have open differentials, like most stock jeeps have, and a rear and front wheel come off the ground, since Those have the least "resistance" they will spin freely and the tires on th ground will just sit there. Now if you have a locker then if a tire comes off the ground, the locker "stops" the resistance and transfers it to the other tire so they both spin at the same time on that axle only. So if the rear is locked and the front isn't and the front comes off the ground, hope your tires in the rear have enough traction to push you forward. Now my fingers hope so hope this cleared up everything. Oh and locking hubs just lock the "rim", in reality the hub, what it's attached too, and the axle that goes into the pumpkin. Unlocked hubs just spin the hubs and tires. D30 and all late year Cherokees hAve one piece hubs
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sycoglitch
Not fully exactly. The np242 has a viscous coupler which allows a difference in speed between the front and rear wheels. This allows you to drive in full time on dry pavement and not bind up cause the wheels are all trying to go the same speed. Secondly, when the np231 and 242 goes into hi or lo yes it sends power to all the wheels but not like a locker. If you have open differentials, like most stock jeeps have, and a rear and front wheel come off the ground, since Those have the least "resistance" they will spin freely and the tires on th ground will just sit there. Now if you have a locker then if a tire comes off the ground, the locker "stops" the resistance and transfers it to the other tire so they both spin at the same time on that axle only. So if the rear is locked and the front isn't and the front comes off the ground, hope your tires in the rear have enough traction to push you forward. Now my fingers hope so hope this cleared up everything. Oh and locking hubs just lock the "rim", in reality the hub, what it's attached too, and the axle that goes into the pumpkin. Unlocked hubs just spin the hubs and tires. D30 and all late year Cherokees hAve one piece hubs
Right, that's why I said "axle" in general terms to avoid this big explanation...but thanks for clearing that up :-)
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by sycoglitch

Not fully exactly. The np242 has a viscous coupler which allows a difference in speed between the front and rear wheels. This allows you to drive in full time on dry pavement and not bind up cause the wheels are all trying to go the same speed. Secondly, when the np231 and 242 goes into hi or lo yes it sends power to all the wheels but not like a locker. If you have open differentials, like most stock jeeps have, and a rear and front wheel come off the ground, since Those have the least "resistance" they will spin freely and the tires on th ground will just sit there. Now if you have a locker then if a tire comes off the ground, the locker "stops" the resistance and transfers it to the other tire so they both spin at the same time on that axle only. So if the rear is locked and the front isn't and the front comes off the ground, hope your tires in the rear have enough traction to push you forward. Now my fingers hope so hope this cleared up everything. Oh and locking hubs just lock the "rim", in reality the hub, what it's attached too, and the axle that goes into the pumpkin. Unlocked hubs just spin the hubs and tires. D30 and all late year Cherokees hAve one piece hubs
What do you mean, "not fully exactly"? The np 231 is a locked t-case. Meaning it does not allow differentiation of front and rear axle carrier rpms when in 4wd. That has nothing to do with differentiation of parallel wheels on an axle.
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by schirm

What do you mean, "not fully exactly"? The np 231 is a locked t-case. Meaning it does not allow differentiation of front and rear axle carrier rpms when in 4wd. That has nothing to do with differentiation of parallel wheels on an axle.
I was talking in reference to the axles not the transfer case. I'm sure in my jumble I said about the difference between the 242 and 231.

I said when in hi or lo it sends power to the wheels but not like a "locker" and then go on to explain about lockers. I never sai the 231 wasn't a locked TC

It was because o empties last sentence I described lockers and such. He referred to a TC and a locker in the same paragraph in relevance to the D30. Just doesn't paint a clear picture to someone who doesn't know what a locking hub, lockers and etc, is. That's all

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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by sycoglitch

I was talking in reference to the axles not the transfer case. I'm sure in my jumble I said about the difference between the 242 and 231.

I said when in hi or lo it sends power to the wheels but not like a "locker" and then go on to explain about lockers. I never sai the 231 wasn't a locked TC

It was because o empties last sentence I described lockers and such. He referred to a TC and a locker in the same paragraph in relevance to the D30. Just doesn't paint a clear picture to someone who doesn't know what a locking hub, lockers and etc, is. That's all
Oh, ok, I understand now. We arnt arguing, just figuring the best way to phrase things.
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by schirm

Oh, ok, I understand now. We arnt arguing, just figuring the best way to phrase things.
Lol sorry I know I def sounded rude. I agree with you too. It's just when he compared the TC to an open diff. It's cool
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sycoglitch
Lol sorry I know I def sounded rude. I agree with you too. It's just when he compared the TC to an open diff. It's cool
That was the way someone else described the full-time feature in another thread that made sense to me.
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