Can someone PLEASE explain the difference between Warn locking hubs, a locker, etc???
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I did think about it after all the typing and there is some truth in that how it can make sense. It's just I want sure if someone who has no knowledge of the different items would make sense of it.
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Hi there people, i have a few questions to ask on this topic. i own a 94 xj and it has a D30F straight tube in it and I'm having issues with it not applying equal amounts of drive to both wheels,so for me to eliminate this issue is buy installing a locker,is that correct?
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Hi there people, i have a few questions to ask on this topic. i own a 94 xj and it has a D30F straight tube in it and I'm having issues with it not applying equal amounts of drive to both wheels,so for me to eliminate this issue is buy installing a locker,is that correct?
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the major question is would it be cheaper to get a D30f with a vacuum put a locker in it and replace the vac with a posi lock apposed to putting a locker in D30f straight tube and installing manual hubs?
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Not fully exactly. The np242 has a viscous coupler which allows a difference in speed between the front and rear wheels. This allows you to drive in full time on dry pavement and not bind up cause the wheels are all trying to go the same speed. Secondly, when the np231 and 242 goes into hi or lo yes it sends power to all the wheels but not like a locker. If you have open differentials, like most stock jeeps have, and a rear and front wheel come off the ground, since Those have the least "resistance" they will spin freely and the tires on th ground will just sit there. Now if you have a locker then if a tire comes off the ground, the locker "stops" the resistance and transfers it to the other tire so they both spin at the same time on that axle only. So if the rear is locked and the front isn't and the front comes off the ground, hope your tires in the rear have enough traction to push you forward. Now my fingers hope so hope this cleared up everything. Oh and locking hubs just lock the "rim", in reality the hub, what it's attached too, and the axle that goes into the pumpkin. Unlocked hubs just spin the hubs and tires. D30 and all late year Cherokees hAve one piece hubs
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Oh okay that makes sense. So the stock hubs aren't auto locking hubs, but rather always locked hubs. And then the transfer case is ultimately what decides if power should go front and rear or only rear. That makes sense then. So people with the np231's front driveshaft spins as well? Cause I read somewhere that the np242 was the only one that did that..
Also as for you TC comment. With the np231, I want to say this right for ya, the same amount of power goes to all the wheels during normal driving, on loose only surfaces of course. The np242 has the hi/lo settings but in its 4 full time the wheels still has the same power however the front can spin at a different speed as the rear so making turns on dry ground won't bind the TC
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So how does it regulate power during turns?
The np231 the front dS spins when the front tires spin.
Also as for you TC comment. With the np231, I want to say this right for ya, the same amount of power goes to all the wheels during normal driving, on loose only surfaces of course. The np242 has the hi/lo settings but in its 4 full time the wheels still has the same power however the front can spin at a different speed as the rear so making turns on dry ground won't bind the TC
All I have found out really is that it has a 48/52 power split when in full time. Atleast I think that's what it is.
The np231 the front dS spins when the front tires spin.
Also as for you TC comment. With the np231, I want to say this right for ya, the same amount of power goes to all the wheels during normal driving, on loose only surfaces of course. The np242 has the hi/lo settings but in its 4 full time the wheels still has the same power however the front can spin at a different speed as the rear so making turns on dry ground won't bind the TC
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(banging my head against the desk....lol)
So, if I had an autolocker in the front, would having locking hubs be a way to take away the negative aspect of the autolocker? Meaning, if I unlock the hubs, then there would be no ratcheting while driving around town?
Or for the cost/expense, would an air locker do what I want?
So, if I had an autolocker in the front, would having locking hubs be a way to take away the negative aspect of the autolocker? Meaning, if I unlock the hubs, then there would be no ratcheting while driving around town?
Or for the cost/expense, would an air locker do what I want?
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(banging my head against the desk....lol)
So, if I had an autolocker in the front, would having locking hubs be a way to take away the negative aspect of the autolocker? Meaning, if I unlock the hubs, then there would be no ratcheting while driving around town?
Or for the cost/expense, would an air locker do what I want?
So, if I had an autolocker in the front, would having locking hubs be a way to take away the negative aspect of the autolocker? Meaning, if I unlock the hubs, then there would be no ratcheting while driving around town?
Or for the cost/expense, would an air locker do what I want?
as for the air locker I would compair prices, manual hub conversion + locker or just buy a air locker...
Personally I would go air locker.
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If you had manual hubs, you could unlock them and drive normally with a locker. Even with the tcase in 4wd, with the hubs unlocked you could turn without binding. The axle shafts would spin at the rate the tcase spins them, but would have no effect on the wheels what so ever.
as for the air locker I would compair prices, manual hub conversion + locker or just buy a air locker...
Personally I would go air locker.
as for the air locker I would compair prices, manual hub conversion + locker or just buy a air locker...
Personally I would go air locker.
I've always been partial to "old school" stuff... and I thought locking hubs were one of those things that were used for a good reason and that the "fancy" or "newer" stuff was just unnecessary (like manual crank/powered windows, etc)...
I guess an air locker is the way to go...
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I have a D30 with the CAD (vacuum motor thingy). What it basically does is separate the inboard and outboard halves of the right side axle so that when in 2wd, the front DS does not spin but, both axles and the diff still do because they are connected to the front wheels by fixed hubs. It still gets really crappy gas mileage though. If I had the money for the conversion kit, I'd get manual locking hubs because with them unlocked, the only thing spinning in 2wd, would be the front wheels. Fewer moving parts means better MPG. Unfortunately, the cheapest kit I've found is $875.00 and that's just not in my budget at the moment. And..............I'd still want to get a locker, because an open diff means only one wheel is getting power which in turn means, crappy traction up front.
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