Modified XJ Cherokee Tech XJ (84-01)
All modified tech questions. If it modifies your XJ beyond stock parts ask it here.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:
Old Sep 21, 2015, 02:17 PM
How-Tos on this Topic
Last edit by: IB Advertising
See related guides and technical advice from our community experts:

Browse all: Wheels and Tires
Print Wikipost

All Lift & Tire questions go here!!!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 27, 2013 | 03:49 PM
  #18796  
No4x4Yet's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 997
Likes: 1
From: Long Island NY
Year: 2000
Model: Cherokee
Default

Originally Posted by Perrin Pockets
I figured that would be the case, that is why I dont want to put a very high lift. I'm mostly looking for a better looking stance and a little more clearnece. I can deal with a drop in MPG just not the extreme losses ive read about with some peoples rigs. I drive about 100mi/day for work so I dont want to cry at the pump every few days haha. my main concern is, is it an all or nothing upgrade? or can I do it step by step? can I buy shocks that will work for stock hight and a small lift later or should I just get it all together? sorry if its a stupid question, Im quickly becoming addicted to working on my Jeep but am working on a budget
Your gonna have to remove things multiple times if you do it peice by piece and they dont really interchange too well. Im at 4.5" with 31s and get 14/18 city/hwy and I baby it pretty good. Was the same at 3" of lift. Tires are gonna be the biggest factor in MPG. Large tires are heavier and use more gas, mainly accelereating. The more aggressive the tire the more rolling resistance and less MPG you get, which will have a larger effect of highway cruising. Your best bet for MPG would be a mild all-terrain tire, but those arent that great in the mud.
Reply
Old Sep 27, 2013 | 09:40 PM
  #18797  
Acerwin's Avatar
Seasoned Member
 
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 384
Likes: 0
From: Clinton, SC
Year: 2001
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L
Default

what is a good steering gear box for a 5.5 to 6.5 inch lift xj with 35's? Have bad sloppy steering and I believe it's my steering gear box?
Reply
Old Sep 27, 2013 | 10:13 PM
  #18798  
Parsnip's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 1,050
Likes: 2
From: Roanoke, VA
Year: 1990
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by No4x4Yet

Your gonna have to remove things multiple times if you do it peice by piece and they dont really interchange too well. Im at 4.5" with 31s and get 14/18 city/hwy and I baby it pretty good. Was the same at 3" of lift. Tires are gonna be the biggest factor in MPG. Large tires are heavier and use more gas, mainly accelereating. The more aggressive the tire the more rolling resistance and less MPG you get, which will have a larger effect of highway cruising. Your best bet for MPG would be a mild all-terrain tire, but those arent that great in the mud.
And gearing in the axles for said tires
Reply
Old Sep 27, 2013 | 10:28 PM
  #18799  
a_shirey's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 8,272
Likes: 1
From: Baltimore, MD
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 I6 HO
Default

Originally Posted by Acerwin
what is a good steering gear box for a 5.5 to 6.5 inch lift xj with 35's? Have bad sloppy steering and I believe it's my steering gear box?
1998/1999 Dodge Durango V8 Non-Plow Steering Box. Get a C-Rok Spacer. And follow this write-up.

https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f67/du...houghts-84046/
Reply
Old Sep 27, 2013 | 11:26 PM
  #18800  
War Eagle's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 3,144
Likes: 3
From: central PA
Year: 2000
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by No4x4Yet
Your gonna have to remove things multiple times if you do it peice by piece and they dont really interchange too well. Im at 4.5" with 31s and get 14/18 city/hwy and I baby it pretty good. Was the same at 3" of lift. Tires are gonna be the biggest factor in MPG. Large tires are heavier and use more gas, mainly accelereating. The more aggressive the tire the more rolling resistance and less MPG you get, which will have a larger effect of highway cruising. Your best bet for MPG would be a mild all-terrain tire, but those arent that great in the mud.
100 miles a day in an xj...crazyness.

but yah, i would start small if i were you. 2" and 30x9.50...will give you the stance you want
Reply
Old Sep 28, 2013 | 01:43 AM
  #18801  
XJmike0122's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,922
Likes: 1
From: Eaton Co
Year: 2001
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by Parsnip
And gearing in the axles for said tires
I think he only wants 31s. Normally I would say no way he needs new gears, but at 100 miles per day it might be worth it.

If I had to do 100 miles per day for work I would have to be banking a lot. I mean if I did the math right at five days a week that around 400 bucks a month on gas in a good mpg XJ.

Last edited by XJmike0122; Sep 28, 2013 at 01:55 AM.
Reply
Old Sep 28, 2013 | 09:17 AM
  #18802  
Tom95YJ's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 3,603
Likes: 3
From: SLC, Utah
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L
Default

Originally Posted by XJmike0122
I think he only wants 31s. Normally I would say no way he needs new gears, but at 100 miles per day it might be worth it. If I had to do 100 miles per day for work I would have to be banking a lot. I mean if I did the math right at five days a week that around 400 bucks a month on gas in a good mpg XJ.
Which is the reason I suggested he leaves it stock. Then everyone started throwing out the idea of 3" and 31's I have had to drive a lifted Jeep with oversized tires properly regeared. It still sucked if I have to drive more then 30 miles round trip I'd save for a beater.
Reply
Old Sep 28, 2013 | 11:57 AM
  #18803  
GraeWolf's Avatar
Newbie
 
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 21
Likes: 0
From: Salton City CA
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 L I6 PowerTech H.O.
Default what other parts.

Stock '99. I mean, "stock". Got to do something about it!

I am looking to lift my stock '99. I don't want to do it to put really large tires on, just to give a little more height to keep the larger rocks away from vital parts. My question is this. Most 2 " - 2 1/2" lifts don't suggest the need for additional parts like longer pittman arms and transfer case spacers. When I see 3" - 4" lifts additional parts are suggested, but not included. Other lifts ave these parts included. Any thoughts?
Reply
Old Sep 28, 2013 | 12:04 PM
  #18804  
bhennessee1's Avatar
CF Veteran
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 3,493
Likes: 0
From: Chickamauga Ga.
Year: 2000
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by GraeWolf
Stock '99. I mean, "stock". Got to do something about it!

I am looking to lift my stock '99. I don't want to do it to put really large tires on, just to give a little more height to keep the larger rocks away from vital parts. My question is this. Most 2 " - 2 1/2" lifts don't suggest the need for additional parts like longer pittman arms and transfer case spacers. When I see 3" - 4" lifts additional parts are suggested, but not included. Other lifts ave these parts included. Any thoughts?
If you just want a little ground clearance, go with a 2 inch spacer shackle combo you won't need any other parts
Reply
Old Sep 28, 2013 | 12:06 PM
  #18805  
ohio95xj's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,659
Likes: 0
From: Dayton OH
Year: 1995
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by bhennessee1

If you just want a little ground clearance, go with a 2 inch spacer shackle combo you won't need any other parts
X2
Add some 30X9.5's and you'll be set.
Reply
Old Sep 28, 2013 | 02:36 PM
  #18806  
3278's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 214
Likes: 0
Year: 1995
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 I6
Default

I've got three questions, and I'm sure they both have super-obvious answers, but I haven't found 'em yet. I bought a Cherokee a few months ago [my fourth], and while it's a pretty great one, it does have some weird quirks. [Like no front driveshaft, for example. That's a weird quirk.] So I'm trying, one by one, to eliminate them:

1. The Cherokee has a Rubicon Express 3.5 inch lift kit, and does have an SYE and double-cardan rear driveshaft, but doesn't have any shims. I'm eating up rear pinion u-joints, and I assume it's because of the pinion angle: I haven't actually measured it yet, but it looks pretty awful. I know how to make the measurements, but does anyone have a good quick primary guide to putting shims in?

2. After removing my anti-sway bars, the Jeep just refuses to articulate: the body tries hard to stay level with the axle. Is this just because the RE springs are stiff, or is there something else I need to pull before I can start getting some droop? I run some very off-camber trails, and I'm wagging a wheel in the air half the time, when there's no reason for it.

3. The bump stops in the rear seem to have been removed, and the bump stops up front are the originals, and I run trails hard. [Broke the seat mounts and seat belt receiver, shot the stereo out of the dash, and flipped over 80 pounds of subwoofer box last weekend, for example.] So I'm constantly bottoming out my shocks: this is a really awful thing to do, yes? What bumpstops should I get for a Jeep with ~3.5 inches of lift?
Reply
Old Sep 28, 2013 | 02:43 PM
  #18807  
Tom95YJ's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 3,603
Likes: 3
From: SLC, Utah
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L
Default

You need degree shims. For the rear axle. Something is binding I have no issues with my lift articulating my body does not follow the axles with a RE 3.5" I am running stock bumpstops in the rear and added 2 hockey pucks to the front spring pad. If your bottoming out really hard you need to slow down ! A longer shackle or relocation kit will help the rear flex. It took a good year for my rear to start flexing it took a week in Moab with spare parts , tools , cooler , 2 adults in the back seat to get them to break in. Now my rear flexes way better.
Attached Thumbnails All Lift & Tire questions go here!!!-image-1919969509.jpg   All Lift & Tire questions go here!!!-image-3714252906.jpg   All Lift & Tire questions go here!!!-image-753535480.jpg  

Last edited by Tom95YJ; Sep 28, 2013 at 02:49 PM.
Reply
Old Sep 28, 2013 | 03:03 PM
  #18808  
Perrin Pockets's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 88
Likes: 0
From: South Florida
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L I6 Power Tech
Default

Thanks for all the advise guys! I feel like im on the track to making a more informed decision. Would any one have a suggestion on a particular lift to go with? is budget lifting a bad idea even with only 2-3'' of lift?

Originally Posted by Black1993
http://www.roughcountry.com/jeep_xj_3.html
Forget them and go with this!


does anyone have any experience with this lift? It looks like just what I've been hoping for but with the price way lower than any other kit and comparable to the prices of a make shift auto parts store lift it has me wondering. Any insight would be great as a 2-3'' lift is my next project planned.

Thanks,
Perrin
Reply
Old Sep 28, 2013 | 03:09 PM
  #18809  
3278's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 214
Likes: 0
Year: 1995
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 I6
Default

Originally Posted by GraeWolf
I am looking to lift my stock '99. I don't want to do it to put really large tires on, just to give a little more height to keep the larger rocks away from vital parts. My question is this. Most 2 " - 2 1/2" lifts don't suggest the need for additional parts like longer pittman arms and transfer case spacers. When I see 3" - 4" lifts additional parts are suggested, but not included. Other lifts ave these parts included. Any thoughts?
You've got it down. Once you break that magic 3 or 3.5 inch mark, you're into a lot more money if you want to keep the Jeep riding nicely and operating correctly. Yes, 6 inches is better than 2, and 35s are better than 30s, but a 2 inch lift gives you way more awesome-per-dollar than a full lift kit. 3.5+ inch lifts get you into things like a slip yoke eliminator for your transfer case, new driveshafts, longer pitman arms, beefier steering components, and, oh yeah, 35 inch ties are way, way more expensive than 30s!

If you've got the dough to do it right, hell yes, get a big lift, but if you want 90 percent of the fun with 10 percent of the investment, spacer lifts are the way to go.
Reply
Old Sep 28, 2013 | 03:15 PM
  #18810  
3278's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 214
Likes: 0
Year: 1995
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 I6
Default

Originally Posted by Tom95YJ
Something is binding I have no issues with my lift articulating my body does not follow the axles with a RE 3.5"
Offhand, can you think of a good way to check for binding? Obviously I need to pick up one wheel while leaving the other on the ground, but I don't have any jacks tall enough to challenge the Cherokee, and we've got a real shortage of very tall stumps around my house.

Originally Posted by Tom95YJ
If your bottoming out really hard you need to slow down !
Yeah, blowing the driver seat through the floor gave me that impression, too. I'm kind of bummed that this huge-*** Cherokee of mine can't do the kind of high-speed wheeling I live to do. I had to sell my YJ Wrangler because it was a rock-crawler and not a trail-runner: I'm hoping I'm not going to end up in the same boat with my XJ.

Originally Posted by Tom95YJ
It took a good year for my rear to start flexing it took a week in Moab with spare parts , tools , cooler , 2 adults in the back seat to get them to break in. Now my rear flexes way better.
Yeah, I've wondered if maybe it'll get better as it ages: I don't know how long ago the RE springs were put in, but the whole thing seems pretty new, so...
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:14 PM.