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Old Sep 20, 2013 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluebyu
If they are from a 3 inch lift your fine... I'm running my shocks from my 3" rough country lift and I'm now at 5"s.. mine aren't limiting my droop much at all.. I can still flex plenty
I still have stock shocks on 3.5" of lift. Hasnt limited my flex really.
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Old Sep 20, 2013 | 08:50 AM
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There's no way an 8" travel shock with a 3" kit will work with 2" more of lift without some kind of extension or BPE. I'm running 12" travels on 4.5" of lift...
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Old Sep 20, 2013 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DieselD
I have Rusty's 3" HD Leafs. About 2 years old now. Still sits at about 4" of lift. I want relocation brackets. I like the no lift ones. Presuming they give no lift. With a 2" shackle, at 45 degree will I even get any lift from the shackle?
Depends on your current shackle angle. If you're at 45° now and stay at that angle, a 2" longer shackle will give you 1" lift. A 2" lift shackle would be 4" longer than stock.

If you're currently at 90° and the no-lift relocators change it to 45° with the stock shackle, you'll lose a little bit from where you are now. Installing a lift shackle would then give you the advertised height from the now-45° position.

Originally Posted by Slim357

I still have stock shocks on 3.5" of lift. Hasnt limited my flex really.
I don't believe that one bit unless you have something else wrong that's limiting travel even more.
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Old Sep 20, 2013 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Condonsation
Wont the shock eventually pull itself apart cause the shock isnt long enough for that much lift and droop?
Originally Posted by Bluebyu
Not unless your like beating the crap out of it. I'm pretty sure when you get a Rc 3" lift they give you the same shocks that come with the 4.5" lift.
+1, you would need to applying force to push the wheels down to damage the shocks fully extending. Its usually a gradual motion.

As for the the shocks being the same size for a 3 and 4.5" lift, are you smoking crack? Why would the use the same size with a bigger lift? I can find part numbers listed for the kits but their shocks are listed for 2-4" and 4-6" lift. If i bought a 4.5" lift kit and got the same shocks from a 3" lift kit I would be pissed.

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Originally Posted by Slim357
I still have stock shocks on 3.5" of lift. Hasnt limited my flex really.
I don't believe that one bit unless you have something else wrong that's limiting travel even more.
Im with Clown on this. Longer shocks will only allow more flex unless something else is stopping you. The stock style ball joint track bar limits flex a lot so that may be holding you back.
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Old Sep 20, 2013 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by NewKindOfClown
Depends on your current shackle angle. If you're at 45° now and stay at that angle, a 2" longer shackle will give you 1" lift. A 2" lift shackle would be 4" longer than stock.

If you're currently at 90° and the no-lift relocators change it to 45° with the stock shackle, you'll lose a little bit from where you are now. Installing a lift shackle would then give you the advertised height from the now-45° position.
That makes sense. I don't know the exact angle of them prior because its all disconnected right now. I'd guess it was closer to 90 than 45.
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Old Sep 20, 2013 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by No4x4Yet
+1, you would need to applying force to push the wheels down to damage the shocks fully extending. Its usually a gradual motion..
except there IS force pushing down - SOLID axle remember? If one side is getting pushed up, the other side will be getting pushed down. That's how a live axle suspension works - as well as the springs will always be pushing down. It's more than enough force to tear a shock apart - i've seen it happen.
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Old Sep 20, 2013 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DieselD

That makes sense. I don't know the exact angle of them prior because its all disconnected right now. I'd guess it was closer to 90 than 45.
It'll be a minor difference. I just wanted to explain the geometry.
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Old Sep 20, 2013 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by dukie564
except there IS force pushing down - SOLID axle remember? If one side is getting pushed up, the other side will be getting pushed down. That's how a live axle suspension works - as well as the springs will always be pushing down. It's more than enough force to tear a shock apart - i've seen it happen.
I ment a "hitting" force. When your flexing the axle is on the ground so your not holding the weight of the full axle. The spring will be unseated at full flex too so that just leaves the opposing leverage of the axle. Its certainly not ideal to be using the shocks are limiting stops for droop especially if your doing it every day. but having a problem from a couple times a year would surprise me.
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Old Sep 20, 2013 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by No4x4Yet

I ment a "hitting" force. When your flexing the axle is on the ground so your not holding the weight of the full axle. The spring will be unseated at full flex too so that just leaves the opposing leverage of the axle. Its certainly not ideal to be using the shocks are limiting stops for droop especially if your doing it every day. but having a problem from a couple times a year would surprise me.
You must have insane articulation and no drop-offs where you wheel. My axle comes up and has sudden vertical forces enacted on it fairly regularly when I hit the trails.
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Old Sep 20, 2013 | 08:29 PM
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How much will these coil springs lift my YJ?

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Old Sep 20, 2013 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by NewKindOfClown
How much will these coil springs lift my YJ?
Roughly 12" but youll need a transfer case lift then.
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Old Sep 20, 2013 | 09:21 PM
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I woneder if it would be possible to fit a D11 tires under my XJ....? with the nessacery lift of course. or maybe a haul truck axle.....? i will get a pic and show em monday if i can to give yall ideas of how meaty and big these ****ers are..

For any of you who work in construction or development you would know how big they are
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Old Sep 20, 2013 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jeeperscreepers92
I woneder if it would be possible to fit a D11 tires under my XJ....? with the nessacery lift of course. or maybe a haul truck axle.....? i will get a pic and show em monday if i can to give yall ideas of how meaty and big these ****ers are..

For any of you who work in construction or development you would know how big they are
You need one of these axles. I'm putting one under my YJ so I can run 35s locked without breaking anything.

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Old Sep 21, 2013 | 02:32 AM
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Dump truck axles... because Diff ground clearances are overrated.
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Old Sep 21, 2013 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Basslicks
Dump truck axles... because Diff ground clearances are overrated.
I want that D135. I just can't afford to build a rig to run 60" tires, locked, on a dually axle.
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