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Old Oct 20, 2013 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by carbuff
I did not use the putco. I got one off of ebay. Maybe thats why. I got it mainly because it had really heavy gauge wire, decent headlight sockets and actual mechanical relays, not solid state ones. Maybe the relays are the key? Maybe the solid state ones dont ground the highbeam lead when its not in use.
I'm pretty sure the Putco has mechanical relays. They make a loud click when activating the lights or high beams
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Old Oct 20, 2013 | 01:31 PM
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The fog lights (or DRLs on some vehicles) need a ground wire added to function with that harness. I had to do it to my Camaro (same lighting system) because nothing worked right due to the fogs.

Legally, vehicles can't have fogs and highbeams active at the same time. I'm not sure why, but the law requires highs to interrupt fogs.
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Old Oct 20, 2013 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by NewKindOfClown
The fog lights (or DRLs on some vehicles) need a ground wire added to function with that harness. I had to do it to my Camaro (same lighting system) because nothing worked right due to the fogs.

Legally, vehicles can't have fogs and highbeams active at the same time. I'm not sure why, but the law requires highs to interrupt fogs.
In addition to this, DRLs commonly use a lower voltage than normal operating lights and most relays are meant for a 12V on the control-side. I believe XJ DRLs run around 3 or 4V. Fed into a 12V relay you get a whole lotta clicking and buzzing, which is bad.

I think the fog/highbeam thing has to do with total light output and possibly aiming. At any rate, requirements for this change on jurisdiction. Up here in igloo country new vehicle requirements country-wide are like the above, but provincial requirements mention nothing of the sort. DRLs aren't even actually required. However if you live in an area with bi- or annual inspections they might go over these things.
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Old Oct 20, 2013 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by salad
In addition to this, DRLs commonly use a lower voltage than normal operating lights and most relays are meant for a 12V on the control-side. I believe XJ DRLs run around 3 or 4V. Fed into a 12V relay you get a whole lotta clicking and buzzing, which is bad.

I think the fog/highbeam thing has to do with total light output and possibly aiming. At any rate, requirements for this change on jurisdiction. Up here in igloo country new vehicle requirements country-wide are like the above, but provincial requirements mention nothing of the sort. DRLs aren't even actually required. However if you live in an area with bi- or annual inspections they might go over these things.
The laws on that are similar to catalytic converters. While some locales don't have laws or may not require them, the federal government does.

For anyone interested, DRLs are Daytime Running Lights. They're growing in popularity in the States and have been used in Europe for quite some time. They're different from the marker lights that most XJs have or newer vehicles' automatic headlights in that they are always on whenever the car is running (or, sometimes, when the car is in a forward gear). The intent is to improve visibility in low-light conditions.

They generally (from what I've seen) operate on the same sort of circuit as a factory fog light.
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Old Oct 20, 2013 | 02:21 PM
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Old Oct 20, 2013 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by NewKindOfClown
The laws on that are similar to catalytic converters. While some locales don't have laws or may not require them, the federal government does.
Oh they're actually required down there? Up here it's literally a condition of being approved for sale as a "new car", like certain crash rating or fuel economy. DRLs are not required in any shape or form after that, rather unlike emissions systems. It's kinda silly actually.
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Old Oct 20, 2013 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by salad

Oh they're actually required down there? Up here it's literally a condition of being approved for sale as a "new car", like certain crash rating or fuel economy. DRLs are not required in any shape or form after that, rather unlike emissions systems. It's kinda silly actually.
Sorry, that was poorly worded on my part. The cutoff system preventing fog lights and highbeams from both being illuminated is required. DRLs aren't in any way, though some automakers choose to make them standard. No studies since '95 have provided persuasive evidence that they help.
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Old Oct 20, 2013 | 03:30 PM
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I would have to say they help in heavy rain, snow, bad weather conditions. It rly ticks me off to see people driving down the road during a monsoon with no lights on because they 'can see just fine.' I mean come on people, they aren't for you, they're for others to be able to see you... its law that headlights have to be on if you are using your wipers but with DRL's, you don't have to worry with manually turning them on everytime you run into a rain cloud. It's always older civics or camrys that don't have 'em. lol
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Old Oct 20, 2013 | 03:53 PM
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All done with the hood vents.

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Old Oct 20, 2013 | 04:00 PM
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Don't know why you put them there but if the bad spots on the clearcoat of my hood are any indication of where the most heat is located you got'em in the right spot.
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Old Oct 20, 2013 | 05:16 PM
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Removed my rear seat from my DD today, actually yesterday. Not really by choice. More to follow.
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Old Oct 20, 2013 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by anywhere & everywhere
All done with the hood vents.
residential hvac vents?
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Old Oct 20, 2013 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBirdxj
Removed my rear seat from my DD today, actually yesterday. Not really by choice. More to follow.
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that sucks. anyone hurt?
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Old Oct 20, 2013 | 05:25 PM
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No, no one was hurt. The Jeep is literally a heep now. We had to drive home 1.5 hrs, so I had to cut a hole in the windscreen to see. I can't believe how it held up. Jeeps are awesome. Definitely what I want my children to drive!!! Will become parts for my project.
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Old Oct 20, 2013 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by EZEARL
Don't know why you put them there but if the bad spots on the clearcoat of my hood are any indication of where the most heat is located you got'em in the right spot.
Yeah ill have to find out how well they work.
Originally Posted by bheath

residential hvac vents?
Yeah haha its metal with slots
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