View Poll Results: Which font choice of "Sport" would you prefer?
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Discontinued OEM Decals
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Here's r2 of the decal.
I've got all of the contour details. the lettering is as perfect as I can make it without having a high-res scan of the original.
The real beast is going to be the halftone pattern on the second tree. It's not a standard halftone pattern, but "designed" to be that pattern--checkerboard. I'm guessing based off the best version of the decal that it's .015", or 4.5 pixels based on a 300 ppi print.
I think I'm going to have to manually make the pattern...
I've got all of the contour details. the lettering is as perfect as I can make it without having a high-res scan of the original.
The real beast is going to be the halftone pattern on the second tree. It's not a standard halftone pattern, but "designed" to be that pattern--checkerboard. I'm guessing based off the best version of the decal that it's .015", or 4.5 pixels based on a 300 ppi print.
I think I'm going to have to manually make the pattern...
Edit: That crappy screen tint stuff, called ziptone I think, that paste up artists used use on copy boards when ever they wanted a screen tint in something. It was coarse like the tree. Made it quicker to strip and print a job but not as clean looking as using a film screen tint behind the neg that we would shoot from the copy for making the final negs or plating when printing.
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The reason the ziptone popped into my head was cause the coarseness of screen in the tree. Ziptone is shoemaker crap. Low quality. But thinking it would achieve the desired result here. But then again that is when working with hard copy and shooting negs to strip and the print. Not a clue as to how computerized stripping goes. I just know that you can do everything I used to do with negs, plasticmask, rubylith, mylar, razor blades, etc, on a computer and output final negs or go straight to plate to print. Among other things.
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What I meant to ask was which of those three approaches looked closest to the apparent method used on the original sticker— one being a vector-based mask in Adobe Illustrator cutting off the perfect square grid, vs the other, where the grid/zip-a-tone squares make up the contour of the tree, making it look kinda pixely:
See what I mean?
I did find a faithful reproduction zip-a-tone sample, and I think I'm 99% sure that's the route they went with the OE decals— just a 50/50 grid to mimic that 50% K look.
If the digitally-masked off execution isn't offensive, I'll make a new grid that more accurately matches the scan. It's easier just to do it that way.
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I think I get. Looking at your first post with the 4 different ones.
So if I were taking the tree marked manual grid masked to use for the sticker I would reduce what size you showed by about 50%. Now if I remember correctly the will make the screen in that finer and I believe closer to what is in the sticker. Also I like this better because the tree branches are not harsh like manual grid unmasked. Now I think that faux halftone, wonder if that is what ziptone is called today (I am not even sure of the ziptone term. It has been a long time), looks good as far as the branches again but if I were to reduce this 50% tint coarseness would get to fine.
You have remember my background is film. It is the only way I can picture it and explain. I am pretty sure I am doing a poor job too.
Plus you have to realize. I am not a graphic designer. But you are. Want to take a little artistic license with the sticker? I say go for it.
So if I were taking the tree marked manual grid masked to use for the sticker I would reduce what size you showed by about 50%. Now if I remember correctly the will make the screen in that finer and I believe closer to what is in the sticker. Also I like this better because the tree branches are not harsh like manual grid unmasked. Now I think that faux halftone, wonder if that is what ziptone is called today (I am not even sure of the ziptone term. It has been a long time), looks good as far as the branches again but if I were to reduce this 50% tint coarseness would get to fine.
You have remember my background is film. It is the only way I can picture it and explain. I am pretty sure I am doing a poor job too.
Plus you have to realize. I am not a graphic designer. But you are. Want to take a little artistic license with the sticker? I say go for it.
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I just did a small perception test around the office—designers and non alike. I printed several variants of the pattern with a true neutral, 50%K grey in the middle. There was an overwhelming trend to one of the faux-screen sizes. I think I'm going with that one!
Thanks for all your input on this! I think it's going to be sweet.
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Also, thanks to ElMartillo, who got me a close-up shot of his 89 Sport decal.
I think we're good on that front now:
There was a little bit of correction, but I think I've got it.
I think we're good on that front now:
There was a little bit of correction, but I think I've got it.
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Library as of 4-6-2018
Not big, but growing.
If anyone has some decent, in-focus, high-resolution, straight-on shots of other badging, I can build up the library more.
If anyone has some decent, in-focus, high-resolution, straight-on shots of other badging, I can build up the library more.
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'97+ Position (haven't seen one in the wild)
'96-and-below
Thanks! Above from page one of the thread has the positions. Again, I've never seen a '97+ XJ with one on where it's showing.
Even though the p/n changed between the thru-'96 and '97-'01, they're the same decal, even for the ZJ.
5DL32MXW and 5FG16SXW
'96-and-below
Even though the p/n changed between the thru-'96 and '97-'01, they're the same decal, even for the ZJ.
5DL32MXW and 5FG16SXW
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Ah, sorry I missed this from the previous post.
I've only seen them on the windows but, likewise, I've never seen the decal on a 97+ at all, and I'm not sure how well the decal would fit in the location shown.. The '96- location is what I was looking for. It's been so long since I've seen one I couldn't remember which window it was on.
Thanks!
I've only seen them on the windows but, likewise, I've never seen the decal on a 97+ at all, and I'm not sure how well the decal would fit in the location shown.. The '96- location is what I was looking for. It's been so long since I've seen one I couldn't remember which window it was on.
Thanks!
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Ah, sorry I missed this from the previous post.
I've only seen them on the windows but, likewise, I've never seen the decal on a 97+ at all, and I'm not sure how well the decal would fit in the location shown.. The '96- location is what I was looking for. It's been so long since I've seen one I couldn't remember which window it was on.
Thanks!
I've only seen them on the windows but, likewise, I've never seen the decal on a 97+ at all, and I'm not sure how well the decal would fit in the location shown.. The '96- location is what I was looking for. It's been so long since I've seen one I couldn't remember which window it was on.
Thanks!
Screw it. I am going to start a thread for quantity and placement.
Edit: Done.
https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f59/up...7/#post3480221
If there is more info that we should be looking for let me know and I will edit the thread.
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So I started a thread about positioning of Up Country decals on another forum.
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f177/.../#post39972721
Appears '00 did not have a sticker, that they show through tinted glass but somewhat subdued, but they are static cling stickers.
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f177/.../#post39972721
Appears '00 did not have a sticker, that they show through tinted glass but somewhat subdued, but they are static cling stickers.