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From: Cloquet, MN
Year: 2000 Ltd.
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L I6
How thick is the tubing you're using? It looks VERY thin in the pictures.
Also, from an engineering stand point your "pinned" connection to drop the tire down is a real weak point. I'm trying to think of a suggestion on a better way to do it but am coming up blank at the moment. The one bolt on each side isn't enough to hold the tubes in line with each other in the event of a rear impact when 4,000# + of vehicle land on the rear (the point of a stinger being to keep the vehicle from flopping over on its roof). On impact, any misalignment and those bolts will either snap off immediately or allow the tubes to move relative to each other enough that they allow the joint to fold, and then the bolt snaps off completely. End result is that the stinger fold up into the back of your Jeep.
My suggestion I guess would be to put a larger piece of tubing over the main tube that can slide along it. This way you fold the tire carrier up into position and then slide the OD tube over the joint and then pin it. Think of a Chinese finger trap, then put a pin in each tube (or in the middle like you have with overlapping tubes) to hold the sleeve in place and hold the tubes inside the sleeve.
Also, from an engineering stand point your "pinned" connection to drop the tire down is a real weak point. I'm trying to think of a suggestion on a better way to do it but am coming up blank at the moment. The one bolt on each side isn't enough to hold the tubes in line with each other in the event of a rear impact when 4,000# + of vehicle land on the rear (the point of a stinger being to keep the vehicle from flopping over on its roof). On impact, any misalignment and those bolts will either snap off immediately or allow the tubes to move relative to each other enough that they allow the joint to fold, and then the bolt snaps off completely. End result is that the stinger fold up into the back of your Jeep.
My suggestion I guess would be to put a larger piece of tubing over the main tube that can slide along it. This way you fold the tire carrier up into position and then slide the OD tube over the joint and then pin it. Think of a Chinese finger trap, then put a pin in each tube (or in the middle like you have with overlapping tubes) to hold the sleeve in place and hold the tubes inside the sleeve.
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From: Citrus County Fl
Year: 93
Model: Grand Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
That joint is solid 1.5 tube that I milled so the is not a problem and it is1/8 wall tube I has built many of these for wrangler that have been trashed and they r still on the jeep so this is not my first build I have been in the fab business a long time thanks
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From: Eastern CT
Year: 1993
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 HO
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From: Cloquet, MN
Year: 2000 Ltd.
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L I6
You might do better to be more receptive to suggestions people post instead of dismissing them as idiots. Not everyone is trying to find something to mock someone about (like certain people on this forum), but they want to help people make stuff better and keep from wrecking their rig when their "mod" or "improvement" fails to work as intended.
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From: Citrus County Fl
Year: 93
Model: Grand Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
There a pin in the now and it is solid stock that I milled to make that joint and like I said I have 3 of these that r on jeeps that r at EJS in Moab that have been put to the test and u thinking that I think u r a idiot that is not the case at all the pics suck how I did that joint it will take on hell of a hit I have tried many ways and this is working good on the other jeeps that I have built
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From: Leeds, Maine
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
That's an easy fix, though. This is what was done on mine.
Carrier end:
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Body:
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I plan to put rubber in between them. If there was a rear impact, the 2 tubes would butt against each other and the quarter guards should hold up fine.
Carrier end:
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Body:
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I plan to put rubber in between them. If there was a rear impact, the 2 tubes would butt against each other and the quarter guards should hold up fine.
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From: +34° 25' 35.67", -81° 21' 12.04"
Year: 1993
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