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Beach Bum
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From: Cape Hatteras, North Carolina
Year: 2000 WJ
Model: Grand Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Seems a common issue is silt and crud buildup in the cooling systems of our aging XJs.
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From: Prescott, Az
Year: 1990
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
Quick question... Is the most typical symptom of bad oil filter adapter o-rings oil running down the filter, and even back down to the bottom of the oil pan? I've noticed a streak of oil running down my oil filters after the last 5 or so oil changes, and I think it's starting to get worse. Before you ask, yes, the oil filters have been seated correctly. I just want to make sure there aren't any other reasons there would be oil there.
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From: Frederick, MD from Cleveland, OH
Year: 1993 YJ Wrangler
Engine: 4.0 I6
Quick question... Is the most typical symptom of bad oil filter adapter o-rings oil running down the filter, and even back down to the bottom of the oil pan? I've noticed a streak of oil running down my oil filters after the last 5 or so oil changes, and I think it's starting to get worse. Before you ask, yes, the oil filters have been seated correctly. I just want to make sure there aren't any other reasons there would be oil there.
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From: Detroit, MI
Year: 1997
Model: Cherokee
Engine: I6 4.0L
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From: Prescott, Az
Year: 1990
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
I'd be looking up ABOVE first, and VERIFYING the source of the oil leak YOURSELF.
Everybody, who doesn't own or have to pay for or perform your vehicle repairs, loves to poke their noggin UNDER the Jeep and come out bearing the false bad news that your RMS is leaking.
Many mechanics, friends, people on Jeep forums who can’t see your Jeep from where they’re at, and good old Uncle Bob seem to enjoy telling you it’s the rear main seal. Has a catastrophic ring to it, doesn’t it?
A simple leak at the back of the valve cover or other source could produce the same symptoms. You don’t need to be a mechanic to figure this out. If you have good eyesight and a dim flashlight, you’re good to go on your own. Don't jump on the RMS/oil pan gasket bandwagon right off the bat.
Almost any oil leak on your 4.0 is gonna drip from the RMS area for two simple reasons.
First off, the engine sits nose-up and any oil will run back to the RMS area. Secondly, the RMS area is also the lowest point on the engine. Simple physics and the old plumber's adage apply here. "$hit flows downhill".
Valve cover gasket, oil pressure sending unit, oil filter adapter seals and distributor gasket, in that order, have to be eliminated as possibilities first.
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From: Frederick, MD from Cleveland, OH
Year: 1993 YJ Wrangler
Engine: 4.0 I6
I dream of one day owning a 4.0L that doesn't leak oil. I know it's possible, but all of mine have. Right now I have a 5.9L that burns more than it leaks, so I'm on the right track
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From: Detroit, MI
Year: 1997
Model: Cherokee
Engine: I6 4.0L
^^^Sure have, and so far I'm down to the oil filter adapter seals. No wet spots around the valve cover, like just mentioned, nothing around the sender unit, so adapters next. Since there's oil running down the bottom of the oil filter, I hope that's my end point, but we'll find out once I get the seals replaced. Thanks for the assistance!
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From: Laurium, MI
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee(XJ)
Engine: 4.0L
I swapped the steering from my ZJ to the XJ(since it was all brand new, and it's parked), the drag link collar is bottomed out to get the steering wheel straight. What's the best way to figure out what part of the steering system is un-aligned? The drag links are the same part from ZJ to Xj right? Can the steering wheel even be off? I replaced the clock spring and it looked pretty much impossible to screw up the alignment there. Does that mean someone had the pitman arm off at one point?
[QUOTE=salad;3257703]To check spark, you need one, or several, of these guys:

As for the crank-no-start, you might have a fuel leak somewhere, sure. Pull the plugs and see if they're wet. Wetness would indicate a slobbering injector. May also be a check valve, but if it shoots up to 48 immediately when the key is turned, a leak isn't terribly likely.
What other troubleshooting has been done? Have any electrical connections been refreshed? Are all fuses and relays good?
Do you own a scanner?
XJs are very reliable when taken care of. It doesn't take much to keep them in good shape, but almost all of them have been abused and neglected.
If 42 lbs. residual is enough pressure to start, I guess I'm chasing spark. I used to have one of those lights, looks like I might need another. So, I take the coil rail off to expose the plugs and test from there to the plug tip? Sounds awkward but I'll give it a shot. I have to pull the rail to check plugs anyway, I found the meter test proceedure for the coils also. I'm going to test the tps today, found a good clear thread on that, then start looking for crank/cam sensor test threads. I really don't want to start replacing things, the crank sensor looks like it'll really be a pita to change without being pretty sure it's bad first. I need to get under there with a mirror anyway to check the harnesses for rat damage, not unheard of around here.
I have an OBD scanner, it pulled an old #3 misfire code (from heat sink problem) I erased that and it didn't come up with anything new, so I'm pretty sure it's working. The guy I got the jeep from seems to take good care of his rides, lots of new stuff on it and everything working great till now. Fuses and relays are the first thing I checked, I just put a sub under the seat before it decided it wasn't going to start, I backtracked and disconnected all that thinking I might have shorted something and blew a fuse

As for the crank-no-start, you might have a fuel leak somewhere, sure. Pull the plugs and see if they're wet. Wetness would indicate a slobbering injector. May also be a check valve, but if it shoots up to 48 immediately when the key is turned, a leak isn't terribly likely.
What other troubleshooting has been done? Have any electrical connections been refreshed? Are all fuses and relays good?
Do you own a scanner?
XJs are very reliable when taken care of. It doesn't take much to keep them in good shape, but almost all of them have been abused and neglected.
If 42 lbs. residual is enough pressure to start, I guess I'm chasing spark. I used to have one of those lights, looks like I might need another. So, I take the coil rail off to expose the plugs and test from there to the plug tip? Sounds awkward but I'll give it a shot. I have to pull the rail to check plugs anyway, I found the meter test proceedure for the coils also. I'm going to test the tps today, found a good clear thread on that, then start looking for crank/cam sensor test threads. I really don't want to start replacing things, the crank sensor looks like it'll really be a pita to change without being pretty sure it's bad first. I need to get under there with a mirror anyway to check the harnesses for rat damage, not unheard of around here.
I have an OBD scanner, it pulled an old #3 misfire code (from heat sink problem) I erased that and it didn't come up with anything new, so I'm pretty sure it's working. The guy I got the jeep from seems to take good care of his rides, lots of new stuff on it and everything working great till now. Fuses and relays are the first thing I checked, I just put a sub under the seat before it decided it wasn't going to start, I backtracked and disconnected all that thinking I might have shorted something and blew a fuse
Beach Bum
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From: Cape Hatteras, North Carolina
Year: 2000 WJ
Model: Grand Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
I swapped the steering from my ZJ to the XJ(since it was all brand new, and it's parked), the drag link collar is bottomed out to get the steering wheel straight. What's the best way to figure out what part of the steering system is un-aligned? The drag links are the same part from ZJ to Xj right? Can the steering wheel even be off? I replaced the clock spring and it looked pretty much impossible to screw up the alignment there. Does that mean someone had the pitman arm off at one point?
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From: Greenville, SC
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee(XJ)
Engine: 4.0
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From: Tarpon Springs, FL / Denver, CO
Year: '98
Engine: 4.0 I6
If it is like most of the Chevy, Ford, Dodge, et al engines the best way is to pull the radiator, water pump, harmonic balancer, timing chain cover, and perform the removal and replacement of said chain. If my memory serves me well You might have to loosen the first 3 bolts on the pan to remove the cover on the chain as they go into the cover from the bottom.
Thanks for the feedback - I think you are right as far as removing the radiator.
Wish I didn't have to - I think I am going to try and use the shortest "screw" and use a nut or bolt as a spacer to give the puller enough length to get the harmonic balancer off the shaft, without being too long and requiring me to remove the radiator. Worst case I will just drain the coolant and remove the radiator, but it adds like 1-2 hours to an otherwise simple task.
I am going to make a how-to as there really aren't any good how-to's for a timing chain replacement for the XJ. Tons for the Wranglers but not for the Cherokees it seems.




