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Old Aug 29, 2011 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Slick761
Dont forget op has a.5spd. According to my calculations the guideline is about 16%? I have an auto so I adjust the tcu side to 83% which gives me .62 at the ecu side. Moved it up .1 or .2 and its perfect........ my input voltage ecu side is 5.01.... so my ecu side does not go with the %rule but it starts and idles perfect. There's a download here http://www.lunghd.com/Downloads_and_Links/Downloads.htm that explains adjustment.
5 speed is different. Still has to be calculated from a reference voltage regardless. If you would just use my instructions, this could be so much simpler. They allow you to check either the trans side or the engine side of the TPS, depending upon where your issue is. The generic instructions, which many times are wrong like some on the above link, have you testing the TPS only on the trans side if you have an auto trans. That don't work if the engine side of the TPS is messed up.

Anyone who wants the easy instructions with a simple tip on checking sensor grounds, just PM me with your email address and I'll send 'em to ya.
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Old Aug 29, 2011 | 12:53 PM
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Just changed my tps. Works great now also picked up mpg
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Old Aug 29, 2011 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by cruiser54

5 speed is different. Still has to be calculated from a reference voltage regardless. If you would just use my instructions, this could be so much simpler. They allow you to check either the trans side or the engine side of the TPS, depending upon where your issue is. The generic instructions, which many times are wrong like some on the above link, have you testing the TPS only on the trans side if you have an auto trans. That don't work if the engine side of the TPS is messed up.

Anyone who wants the easy instructions with a simple tip on checking sensor grounds, just PM me with your email address and I'll send 'em to ya.
5 spd doesn't have trans side. And as I said on 5spd throttle closed should be about 16% reference voltage. I tested both sides on my auto and the engine side is at 12.6% and is perfect. Please send me the directions id like to read them.

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Old Aug 29, 2011 | 02:23 PM
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yeah 5 sp only has one TPS...im going to mess with it more today but im pretty sure its toast cause its out of specs for WOT...but ill still take those instructions to read over, im trying to get as much info as i can
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Old Aug 29, 2011 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Slick761
5 spd doesn't have trans side. And as I said on 5spd throttle closed should be about 16% reference voltage. I tested both sides on my auto and the engine side is at 12.6% and is perfect. Please send me the directions id like to read them.
I'm aware of that. I was just making a point, that being the adjustment must be made off reference voltage, not just using a certain voltage.

The other point for those with auto trans vehicles, is that alomost every instruction out there has you testing on ONLY the trans side of the TPS. That doesn't work well if the engine side of the TPS is bad but the trans side is good. Imagine the wild goose chases people have gone on with a test result like that. You are aware that there are 2 separate ribbons/wipers in the auto trans TPS aren't you?

Did you PM me your email address?

BTW, you can use an auto trans TPS on a manual trans vehicle and they are much cheaper.
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Old Aug 29, 2011 | 02:48 PM
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I know there are two separate ribbons one climbs one falls... and ya got my tps on rock auto.com for 30$
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I know there are two separate ribbons one climbs one falls... and ya got my tps on rock auto.com for 30$
Good deal on a TPS. I guess the ones for manual trans are over $100 now. Ouch. Sent your instructions a few minutes ago.
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Old Aug 29, 2011 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Slick761
I know there are two separate ribbons one climbs one falls... and ya got my tps on rock auto.com for 30$

is your cherokee an auto or 5sp

i have a 5sp and the TPS is stupid expensive, but ive heard you can use the AT one instead and it works
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Old Aug 29, 2011 | 03:03 PM
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is your cherokee an auto or 5sp

i have a 5sp and the TPS is stupid expensive, but ive heard you can use the AT one instead and it works
Yes. You can use an aut trans TPS on a manual trans equipped Jeep. You just won't use one of the plugs. That info's at the end of the instruction sheet BTW.
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No I paid 32$ for a tps. OEM from AutoZone....you got ripped off if u paid 100$
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Yeah I just read the file you sent me. Lol. Thanks a bunch. I'm gonna mess around with it today hopefully
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Originally Posted by UsmclovesXJ
No I paid 32$ for a tps. OEM from AutoZone....you got ripped off if u paid 100$
I didn't pay $100. I was told the manual trans TPSs were about 3 times the cost of an auto trans TPS, or over $100.
Did you pay $32 for a manual trans TPS at VatoZone?
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Yeah I just read the file you sent me. Lol. Thanks a bunch. I'm gonna mess around with it today hopefully
Check the sensor grounds per the instructions first. Takes 20 seconds to do. If they're not up to snuff, 4 of your most critical sensors give bad info to the ECU..........
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Old Aug 29, 2011 | 04:12 PM
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Cruiser... my calculation for ecu side was 1% off... actually I got 16.54% lol. The instructions are more clear then what I said. Good stuff.
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Cruiser... my calculation for ecu side was 1% off... actually I got 16.54% lol. The instructions are more clear then what I said. Good stuff.
I knew you'd like 'em!! Did you check the sensor ground as described in the beginning of the instructions? I'm curious what you come up with in ohms resistance there.
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