Stock XJ Cherokee Tech. All XJ Non-modified/stock questions go here XJ (84-01)
All OEM related XJ specific tech. Examples, no start, general maintenance or anything that's stock.

Piston Ring Help

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 22, 2016 | 12:39 PM
  #1  
Chowder's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 21
Likes: 2
From: Albucracky
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Default Piston Ring Help

I've got a 98 4.0 Sport. When going to replace the rear main seal, I saw a bunch of metal in shavings in my pan along with a valve spring retainer. I was pretty sure this was a bad thing, therefore I began a complete disassembly. Oddly enough, all of my spring retainers were intact and the only place I saw any sign of metal wear was in the oil pump...

Since I've got the whole damn thing apart, I've gone ahead and just started a rebuild. Where I am stuck now is with my piston rings. The new rings are too large... I bought the standard size but none of the rings will fit. Any ideas why?
Reply
Old Feb 22, 2016 | 01:08 PM
  #2  
aj2494's Avatar
Seasoned Member
 
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 320
Likes: 0
From: Eastern Michigan
Year: 2001
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Too large to fit on the pistons (ID is oversized), too large to fit in the cylinder (OD is oversized), or too thick to fit on the piston? Someone has clearly been in that motor before, so I don't know if you could trust that it still has the original pistons without checking the part number. I would start there.
Reply
Old Feb 22, 2016 | 06:59 PM
  #3  
Chowder's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 21
Likes: 2
From: Albucracky
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Default

Originally Posted by aj2494
Too large to fit on the pistons (ID is oversized), too large to fit in the cylinder (OD is oversized), or too thick to fit on the piston? Someone has clearly been in that motor before, so I don't know if you could trust that it still has the original pistons without checking the part number. I would start there.
That is my suspicion. I noticed the block had some white paint marks on it once I cleaned it. The standard rings I just bought are too thick, should have clarified that earlier.
Reply
Old Feb 22, 2016 | 07:17 PM
  #4  
Jeep Driver's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,054
Likes: 4
Model: Cherokee
Default

4.0 rings/pistons come in inch and metric ring sizes.

Yours are metric and you bought inch rings.

I suspect.
Reply
Old Feb 22, 2016 | 07:49 PM
  #5  
Chowder's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 21
Likes: 2
From: Albucracky
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Default

Alright, I'm trying to see what pistons I have in this thing. Looking at the inside of the piston it says 53020 507 by Chrysler symbol. On the opposite side it reads 52 S 84 12. WTF does all that mean. I'm assuming that some of those are casting numbers, but the rest is greek...
Reply
Old Feb 22, 2016 | 08:08 PM
  #6  
Chowder's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 21
Likes: 2
From: Albucracky
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Default

Originally Posted by Jeep Driver
4.0 rings/pistons come in inch and metric ring sizes.

Yours are metric and you bought inch rings.

I suspect.
This just reaffirms my desire to create the "Punch an Engineer" holiday...
Reply
Old Feb 23, 2016 | 03:22 AM
  #7  
Radi's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 5,302
Likes: 23
From: Wisconsin
Model: Cherokee
Default

53020507 is the OEM part number for the metric piston:
2 Ring(s), 1.50mm Groove, 1 Ring(s), 4.00mm Groove, 1.592 CD, skirt coated piston
(If your pistons were PN 4798329, you'd use the 5/64" and 3/16" rings)

Last edited by Radi; Feb 23, 2016 at 03:34 AM.
Reply
Old Feb 23, 2016 | 07:17 AM
  #8  
cruiser54's Avatar
::CF Moderator::
 
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 43,971
Likes: 1,577
From: Prescott, Az
Year: 1990
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by Jeep Driver
4.0 rings/pistons come in inch and metric ring sizes.

Yours are metric and you bought inch rings.

I suspect.
Agreed.

And the white letters painted on the block are factory.
Reply
Old Feb 23, 2016 | 06:09 PM
  #9  
XJwonders's Avatar
CF Veteran
Premium Member
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 19,219
Likes: 45
From: west chester, pa
Year: 1999
Engine: 4.0
Default

Good to know the info mentioned above for when I need to replace the rings on my engine. Thanks!
Reply
Old Feb 23, 2016 | 06:34 PM
  #10  
Radi's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 5,302
Likes: 23
From: Wisconsin
Model: Cherokee
Default

Originally Posted by cruiser54

And the white letters painted on the block are factory.
Yep. They indicate the piston size for each cylinder. "C" is standard, A-B are undersize, D-E-F-G-H are oversize. Consequences of a worn-out block boring machine.
The differences are very minor, the difference between the smallest A and largest H is only 0.003"
I thought that practice stopped in 1997 when they replaced the Kenosha engine line though. This is a later engine than that?
Reply
Old Feb 24, 2016 | 08:58 AM
  #11  
Chowder's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 21
Likes: 2
From: Albucracky
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Default

Originally Posted by Radi
Yep. They indicate the piston size for each cylinder. "C" is standard, A-B are undersize, D-E-F-G-H are oversize. Consequences of a worn-out block boring machine.
The differences are very minor, the difference between the smallest A and largest H is only 0.003"
I thought that practice stopped in 1997 when they replaced the Kenosha engine line though. This is a later engine than that?
Yep, according to the casting number on the block, it was cast in 98. It is freakin impossible to find these damn rings. I'm about to go and purchase a new set of pistons...

Thanks for all the help!!!
Reply
Old Feb 25, 2016 | 03:24 AM
  #12  
Radi's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 5,302
Likes: 23
From: Wisconsin
Model: Cherokee
Default

Originally Posted by Chowder
Yep, according to the casting number on the block, it was cast in 98. It is freakin impossible to find these damn rings. I'm about to go and purchase a new set of pistons...

Thanks for all the help!!!
Here's a few options. RockAuto.com carries these three + some others. NAPA, Autozone, O'reilly, Jegs should have the Sealed Power set.
SEALED POWER E925K
ENGINETECH M38816
DNJ ENGINE COMPONENTS PR1123
Reply
Old Feb 27, 2016 | 10:05 AM
  #13  
Chowder's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 21
Likes: 2
From: Albucracky
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Default

Originally Posted by Radi
Here's a few options. RockAuto.com carries these three + some others. NAPA, Autozone, O'reilly, Jegs should have the Sealed Power set.
SEALED POWER E925K
ENGINETECH M38816
DNJ ENGINE COMPONENTS PR1123
I finally got the E925Ks. I was really hoping to get the $50 ish kind, but all I could find was the premium. I guess that is not the most terrible choice though.

I'd recommend to anyone rebuilding an engine to go to perfectengine.com and go ahead and get one of there rebuild kits. I thought I could do this a little cheaper, but I could have gotten new pistons, rods, and rings (along with all the gaskets, etc.) for slightly less than what I am up to now...

Well, it's been a huge learning experience. Most of my questions and directions have been answered by the combined experience on this forum. Thanks everyone!!!
Reply
Old Feb 27, 2016 | 11:09 AM
  #14  
Fred/N0AZZ's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 7,554
Likes: 17
From: Monett, MO.
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

When rebuilding an engine, any engine trying to go the cheapest route will bite you in the AZZ every time. Did you not have any machine work done on that engine before you rebuilt it?
Reply
Old Feb 28, 2016 | 08:23 AM
  #15  
Chowder's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 21
Likes: 2
From: Albucracky
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Default

Originally Posted by Fred/N0AZZ
When rebuilding an engine, any engine trying to go the cheapest route will bite you in the AZZ every time. Did you not have any machine work done on that engine before you rebuilt it?
A buddy of mine is a machinist and engineer, he took a look at it and was shocked. He said it just needed a good cleaning. We did notice piston #1 had been replaced at some point, which might explain the good condition of a 190k motor.

Yep, trying to go cheap always costs more in the end.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:21 AM.