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Old 01-26-2010, 06:25 AM   #106
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Why would you even want to confuse everyone more? we have enough trouble pointing people in the right direction for injector swaps as it is....
I for one appreciate the list as it adds to the vehicles I can be on the look out for in the picking yards.

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and to add to everyone's confusion...... some bmw's use the same "yellow stick" injectors that people have mentioned

BMW VEHICLE APPLICATIONS

1996-98 840ci
1994-95 530i-3.0 V-8
1991-94 318i, 318is
1985 318i 1766cc L-Jet
1988 325e
1988 528e
1985-87 635CSi
1985-93 535i
1985-92 735i
1988-92 735iL
1987 L6, L7
1992-98 740i, 740iL
1992-98 540i
The yellow injectors, 0280155710 or 700, are not stock in these vehicles, it's an upgrade option just like in Jeeps.
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I for one appreciate the list as it adds to the vehicles I can be on the look out for in the picking yards.
well, when you go an run those injectors and they work, let me know.

We already know that FMS 19lb and a certain type of Neon injectors are proven to work...there's rumors that various others injectors will work but nobody whose actually stepped up to confirm that they do.

As for you original post. you must not see half the posts I put up on here, I'm generally a pretty carefree and easy going guy but when people cause unnecessary confusion its annoying. and yes I will say something about it
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We already know that FMS 19lb and a certain type of Neon injectors are proven to work...there's rumors that various others injectors will work but nobody whose actually stepped up to confirm that they do.
You are right and I agree with you. I just read through this entire thread again to prepare for my trip to the junkyard today and think there's enough proven information about the FMS 19# and Chrysler/Plymouth injectors, of which there is plenty to choose from in the boneyards and ebay, that there isn't any need to introduce unproven possibilities.
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As for you original post. you must not see half the posts I put up on here, I'm generally a pretty carefree and easy going guy but when people cause unnecessary confusion its annoying. and yes I will say something about it
My honest and sincere apologies. I won't make any excuses for my sharp and off-the-cuff remark, but I shouldn't have popped off and I'm sorry. Thanks for all the useful info.
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My honest and sincere apologies. I won't make any excuses for my sharp and off-the-cuff remark, but I shouldn't have popped off and I'm sorry. Thanks for all the useful info.
Don't worry about it I shoulda chilled out about it some too. it just kinda gets to me when I'm trying to help other Jeepers out and quite often people come in and spout off nonsense and confuse those who don't know any better.
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I've got a bunch of friends who have neons, I'm gonna reach out to them to see if anyone has a few of the 703 injectors laying around, else I'm gonna run to the junkyard this weekend and pull 6 neon and 6 ford injectors then spend the weekend tinkering. Going to build one of those injector cleaner things as well, what the worse that could happen... right?

'95 4.0l HO btw I will report back with my findings *possibly pics even*
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For the record I have just put some neon injectors in mine and it is running a bit rich at Wide open throttle @AFM 11.3 but am quite happy with it otherwise. More detail can be found here:

http://www.ausjeepoffroad.com/forum/...ad.php?t=92236


No real use to us down here in Australia but the neon injectors can also be found in these vehicles:
http://www.fuelinjector.citymaker.co...25/4735791.htm

Also the ford 19# injectors were very popular and go under the following part numbers:F4SZA, CM4768, F4SEA1B, 0280155710, F6VZ9F593AA, F5VZ9F593AA, 0280155700, CM4809.
http://www.bostechfuel.com/injectors.php?id=MP2013

Just some of the cars that came stock with these ford 19# fuel injectors(from rockauto website):
CONTOUR SVT (1998 - 1999)
FORD CROWN VICTORIA 1998
FORD CROWN VICTORIA LX 1998
FORD CROWN VICTORIA POLICE INTERCEPTOR 1998
FORD CROWN VICTORIA S 1998
FORD E SUPER DUTY (1997 - 1999)
FORD E-350 ECONOLINE (1997 - 1999)
FORD E-350 ECONOLINE HD CLUB WAGON (1997 - 1998)
FORD E-350 ECONOLINE SUPER (1997 - 1998)
FORD E-350 ECONOLINE SUPER WAGON (1997 - 1998)
FORD EXPLORER (1996 - 1998)
FORD F-250 SUPER DUTY 1999
FORD F-350 SUPER DUTY 1999
FORD F-450 SUPER DUTY 1999
FORD F-550 SUPER DUTY 1999
FORD THUNDERBIRD LX (1995 - 1997)
LINCOLN TOWN CAR 1999
LINCOLN TOWN CAR ANNIVERSARY 1996
LINCOLN TOWN CAR CARTIER (1995 - 1998)
LINCOLN TOWN CAR EXECUTIVE (1995 - 1998)
LINCOLN TOWN CAR SIGNATURE (1995 - 1998)
LINCOLN TOWN CAR TOURING EDITION 1997
MERCURY COUGAR XR-7 (1995 - 1997)
MERCURY GRAND MARQUIS 1998
MERCURY MOUNTAINEER

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Rainman, you beat me to it, I was just about to post a link to your post on the Aussie site. Excellent work on reducing 8 pages of wisdom down to one post.
This should be on a DIY sticky
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You need to run it more, the computer is on learning mode for 50 start ups after it been reset. You won't know the real effect only after 2-3 hours of driving it. During learning mode it will run rich and gradually reduce injectors on time.

In case you need more pressure, there are fuel regulators that fit Jeep fuel rail with no modes, Chrysler 4418850 or 5277829 or 5277864.

This regulator will bump the pressure up to 40 idle 48PSI at WOT.

As for injectors availability, you can find 0280155702 in Volvo 850, 960 and more. This injector is the exact same as the Neon, 0280155703. I'm using the 702 in mine.

Another option down under instead of the Ford 710/700 will be Volvo injectors 0280155746, it comes with clip nut, not like the Ford injectors, and flow the same. But, I wouldn't use those in stock 4.0L with stock pressure. The best setup for this injectors, 710/700/746, will be with the above high pressure regulators. In fact, the best results were achieved with 746 and the high pressure reg.

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For the record I have just put some neon injectors in mine and it is running a bit rich at Wide open throttle @AFM 11.3 but am quite happy with it otherwise. More detail can be found here:
I see in your AUS site post that you have the same year as I do, I'm glad to hear the Neon injectors are as good of a fit. As for your WOT richness issue, I think your PCM might just need some time to learn and adjust.

How long have you had the injectors installed? How new/old is your o2 sensor? I plan on installing a new o2 sensor when I do the neon injectors as I'm pretty sure my sensor is the factory one.

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I see in your AUS site post that you have the same year as I do, I'm glad to hear the Neon injectors are as good of a fit. As for your WOT richness issue, I think your PCM might just need some time to learn and adjust.

How long have you had the injectors installed? How new/old is your o2 sensor? I plan on installing a new o2 sensor when I do the neon injectors as I'm pretty sure my sensor is the factory one.
less than a week,not even a 1/4 tank of fuel, oxy sensor is is less than 2000 km old.
going to re run it in a month/ after a couple of tanks of fuel
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Thanks for the input especially the fuel regulator stuff just now and the other injector posts as well.
IF you were updating a 91-95jeep with extractors 21/2" straight thru exhaust,62mm tb& late model intake.
Would you go for (neon) 703's with stock fuel pressure of would you go (ford) 710/700/746 with the above mentioned FPR?or something else again?
Also I am asking is the stock jeep 31psi @ idle enough to get proper atomization with the 703 injectors? cause it is running rich right now so i cannot see increasing the fule pressure helping
Thanks and regards,

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You need to run it more, the computer is on learning mode for 50 start ups after it been reset. You won't know the real effect only after 2-3 hours of driving it. During learning mode it will run rich and gradually reduce injectors on time.

In case you need more pressure, there are fuel regulators that fit Jeep fuel rail with no modes, Chrysler 4418850 or 5277829 or 5277864.

This regulator will bump the pressure up to 40 idle 48PSI at WOT.

As for injectors availability, you can find 0280155702 in Volvo 850, 960 and more. This injector is the exact same as the Neon, 0280155703. I'm using the 702 in mine.

Another option down under instead of the Ford 710/700 will be Volvo injectors 0280155746, it comes with clip nut, not like the Ford injectors, and flow the same. But, I wouldn't use those in stock 4.0L with stock pressure. The best setup for this injectors, 710/700/746, will be with the above high pressure regulators. In fact, the best results were achieved with 746 and the high pressure reg.
sweet regulator part numbers!! so whats the difference in the 3?
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All are identical, different application, different years.

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so all look the same but allow different flow levels? hhmm... now to figure out which one goes best with what...
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Not accurate, all flow the same, 100l/hr.

The only difference between these and Jeep stock reg is the spring constant.

As a rule of thumb, the higher the pressure the better fuel atomization.

So, if you are about to chose a new injectors setup, a high pressure reg with low output injectors will be best. The down side is the cost, a new high pressure reg cost about $40 (eBay) on top of new/used set of injectors.

[The above apply to EV6 injectors, the older style injectors, EV1, do not respond well to increased pressure/pressure changes, the beam get wider, turbulence...]

This is why new cars have higher pressure + low output injectors, LS1 run on 4 bar, VW run even higher...

If you have access to JY then the cost will be next to nothing.

Here is a list of cars that use this regulator:

CHRYSLER CONCORDE V6 3.5 F FI 1993-1995
CHRYSLER CONCORDE LX V6 3.5 F FI 1996-1997
CHRYSLER CONCORDE LXI V6 3.5 F FI 1996-1997
CHRYSLER DYNASTY V6 3.3 R FI 1991-1993
CHRYSLER IMPERIAL V6 3.3 R FI 1990-1991
CHRYSLER IMPERIAL V6 3.8 L FI 1991-1993
CHRYSLER INTREPID V6 3.5 F FI 1993-1997
CHRYSLER INTREPID ES V6 3.5 F FI 1995-1996
CHRYSLER LHS V6 3.5 F FI 1994-1997
CHRYSLER NEW YORKER V6 3.5 F FI 1994-1996
CHRYSLER NEW YORKER FIFTH AVENUE V6 3.3 R FI 1990-1993
CHRYSLER NEW YORKER FIFTH AVENUE V6 3.8 L FI 1991-1993
CHRYSLER NEW YORKER LANDAU V6 3.3 R FI 1990
CHRYSLER NEW YORKER SALON V6 3.3 R FI 1990-1993
CHRYSLER TC MASERATI V6 3.0 S FI 1990
CHRYSLER TOWN & COUNTRY V6 3.3 R FI 1990-1993
CHRYSLER TOWN & COUNTRY V6 3.8 L FI 1994-1995

DODGE CARAVAN V6 3.3 J FI 1994-1995
DODGE CARAVAN V6 3.3 R FI 1990-1995
DODGE CARAVAN C/V V6 3.3 J FI 1994-1995
DODGE CARAVAN C/V V6 3.3 R FI 1991-1992
DODGE CARAVAN ES V6 3.3 R FI 1993-1995
DODGE CARAVAN LE V6 3.3 R FI 1991-1995
DODGE CARAVAN SE V6 3.3 J FI 1994-1995
DODGE CARAVAN SE V6 3.3 R FI 1991-1995
DODGE DYNASTY V6 3.3 R FI 1990-1993
DODGE DYNASTY LE V6 3.3 R FI 1990-1993
DODGE GRAND CARAVAN ES V6 3.3 R FI 1993-1995
DODGE GRAND CARAVAN ES V6 3.8 L FI 1994-1995
DODGE GRAND CARAVAN LE V6 3.3 R FI 1990-1995

DODGE GRAND CARAVAN LE V6 3.8 L FI 1994-1995
DODGE GRAND CARAVAN SE V6 3.3 R FI 1990-1995
DODGE INTREPID V6 3.5 F FI 1993-1997
DODGE INTREPID ES V6 3.5 F FI 1993-1997
DODGE SPIRIT L4 2.5 V FI 1994
EAGLE VISION ESI V6 3.5 F FI 1995-1997
EAGLE VISION TSI V6 3.5 F FI 1993-1997
PLYMOUTH ACCLAIM L4 2.5 V FI 1994
PLYMOUTH GRAND VOYAGER LE V6 3.3 R FI 1990-1995
PLYMOUTH GRAND VOYAGER LE V6 3.8 L FI 1994-1995
PLYMOUTH GRAND VOYAGER SE V6 3.3 R FI 1990-1994
PLYMOUTH GRAND VOYAGER SE V6 3.8 L FI 1995
PLYMOUTH PROWLER V6 3.5 F FI 1997
PLYMOUTH VOYAGER V6 3.3 J FI 1994-1995
PLYMOUTH VOYAGER V6 3.3 R FI 1995

PLYMOUTH VOYAGER LE V6 3.3 R FI 1991-1995
PLYMOUTH VOYAGER LX V6 3.3 R FI 1994
PLYMOUTH VOYAGER SE V6 3.3 J FI 1994
PLYMOUTH VOYAGER SE V6 3.3 R FI 1991-1995

On a side note, there is also even higher pressure regulator, 47-55 PSI, I doubt if anyone will need such....
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