More budget injector upgrade questions
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From: Stafford,VA
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thats good but the 19lb injectors are supose to work better than the neon ones when used with a High pressure FRP. for the pre 96 crowd that is.
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What they are:
http://www.fiveomotorsport.com/fuel-...rs/?itemid=277
i got these for my 2000 and put them in today. throttle response seems to be a tad bit better. they are still 19#/hr. they also have 4 nozzles compared to the 1 that the stock injectors have. the connectors are EV6 so it was a direct swap. i will see if the fuel economy gets any better but as of now the low end pick up seems a little better but it is nothing to write home about.
http://www.fuelinjectorconnection.co...&productId=194
http://www.fuelinjectorconnection.co...&productId=194
i got these for my 2000 and put them in today. throttle response seems to be a tad bit better. they are still 19#/hr. they also have 4 nozzles compared to the 1 that the stock injectors have. the connectors are EV6 so it was a direct swap. i will see if the fuel economy gets any better but as of now the low end pick up seems a little better but it is nothing to write home about.
http://www.fuelinjectorconnection.co...&productId=194
http://www.fuelinjectorconnection.co...&productId=194
The link you posted is for 0280155715, which are 24lb/hr with EV1 connector.

Check for the right link, there is enough confusion already.
coas:
this is what the main page said:
"We have been experimenting with our rep Wayne Berry in Cincinati. His Jeep has had numerous combination of fuel injectors installed untill we came up with the "PERFECT" combination fot the 4.0 and the V/8's.. After several injector changes, we tried the New Design Bosch III injector at 19# - 200 CC flow at 37 pounds of rail pressure and found that the injector performs with extrodinary performance and economy, plus smoothness that can only be described as "Running like a fine watch"... We managed with our 20+ years in the business to to aquire a large quantity of these injectors from a Motorsport take out program... The injectors as we receive them are virtually like new, however, since they are used, we put them through our Ultrasonic cleaning system on one of our (3) ASNU machines, pulse them, check them for current draw, MATCH THEM UP FOR FLOW RATE TO 1%, then install a NEW filter basket, new Vitron O-rings, and new pintle caps, then vacumn pack them for shipment... Documentation on flow rate is included with each order, and each order is carefully processed with quality control like no other in the business. These are direct fit injectors for your jeep. Depending on the year you may have an oval plug or a rectangle plug om youy old injector. please e mail us with the one you have. With fuel prices going through the roof...Now is the time to get some better gas mileage."
here is the link for that one: http://www.fuelinjectorconnection.co...ewCat&catId=64
this is what the main page said:
"We have been experimenting with our rep Wayne Berry in Cincinati. His Jeep has had numerous combination of fuel injectors installed untill we came up with the "PERFECT" combination fot the 4.0 and the V/8's.. After several injector changes, we tried the New Design Bosch III injector at 19# - 200 CC flow at 37 pounds of rail pressure and found that the injector performs with extrodinary performance and economy, plus smoothness that can only be described as "Running like a fine watch"... We managed with our 20+ years in the business to to aquire a large quantity of these injectors from a Motorsport take out program... The injectors as we receive them are virtually like new, however, since they are used, we put them through our Ultrasonic cleaning system on one of our (3) ASNU machines, pulse them, check them for current draw, MATCH THEM UP FOR FLOW RATE TO 1%, then install a NEW filter basket, new Vitron O-rings, and new pintle caps, then vacumn pack them for shipment... Documentation on flow rate is included with each order, and each order is carefully processed with quality control like no other in the business. These are direct fit injectors for your jeep. Depending on the year you may have an oval plug or a rectangle plug om youy old injector. please e mail us with the one you have. With fuel prices going through the roof...Now is the time to get some better gas mileage."
here is the link for that one: http://www.fuelinjectorconnection.co...ewCat&catId=64
Let see, first they refer to all the 4.0L as one, were as some are Renix, some are OBDI, some are OBDII.
Second, they say working pressure is 37PSI, no 4.0L is working with such pressure. OBDI working on 31-39 PSI, OBDII working on constant 49 PSI.
Third, Bosch design III 200CC can be many injectors and doesn't say much. A trial and error approach will not get you far. Cone shape, spray distribution, spray angle, spray orientation are all parameter which should be taken into consideration.
A match by the above parameters, an emission tests (like rainman is doing), a long term results.. this is the way to do it.
A mismatch can still "fill" good, but it can, at the same time, wash head ports walls, too wide/narrow distribution, miss the intake valve...
I have seen reputable injectors shop sell 2 beams injectors (intended for dual intake valve) for the 4,0L, low output, wrong connector.... I'm being careful here but New Neon injector cost about 170$, new Ford injector cost about $70, what will be easier to sell if all look the same to the average Joe?
Ford injectors are a close match but not perfect, the Neon 703 and the Volvo 746 fits better.
Beside, I don't know what they sell in the link you posted, the picture is of the 715 injectors which are not for stock 4.0L.
Second, they say working pressure is 37PSI, no 4.0L is working with such pressure. OBDI working on 31-39 PSI, OBDII working on constant 49 PSI.
Third, Bosch design III 200CC can be many injectors and doesn't say much. A trial and error approach will not get you far. Cone shape, spray distribution, spray angle, spray orientation are all parameter which should be taken into consideration.
A match by the above parameters, an emission tests (like rainman is doing), a long term results.. this is the way to do it.
A mismatch can still "fill" good, but it can, at the same time, wash head ports walls, too wide/narrow distribution, miss the intake valve...
I have seen reputable injectors shop sell 2 beams injectors (intended for dual intake valve) for the 4,0L, low output, wrong connector.... I'm being careful here but New Neon injector cost about 170$, new Ford injector cost about $70, what will be easier to sell if all look the same to the average Joe?
Ford injectors are a close match but not perfect, the Neon 703 and the Volvo 746 fits better.
Beside, I don't know what they sell in the link you posted, the picture is of the 715 injectors which are not for stock 4.0L.
Last edited by coas; Feb 4, 2010 at 02:32 AM.
Well I just got back from the JY with my neon injectors. Actually got them out of a Breeze. Flushed them clean and installed them. So far night and day difference. Best $50 ive spent in awhile. Thanks for the info!



