The Rooster

Fram
STP

Feel free to add to the list... and your experince...

ZeroCherokee

Will you add your experience? I've ran Fram on all five of my XJ's, and never had a problem.

ZINGGG

http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/index.html

The Rooster

opps sorry about low oil pressure at warm idle.... happened with the fram and the stp filter...

zombie jeep101

What do y'all think of Bosch Platinum oil filter? It was expensive and my pressure is about 40 at idle.

ZINGGG

Going by the gauge, right?

That seems a little high. I doubt it's a completely accurate reading.

zombie jeep101

Yeah by the gauge, hot idle it differs from 30-40. Driving it's like 45

DieselDaze

@zerocherokee...

I too used frams for years with no apparent problems on all my vehicles but then again I didn't have the vehicles where I could put an additional 100k on each of them, I will never use fram again after seeing, reading and hearing many war stories...

check out you tube where people cut them open and see how they've collapsed.. I'll see if I can dig up one link in particular..

WIX for me..

ZeroCherokee

That's why I won't complain. I put 198k on my Civic, using nothing but Fram. And almost 850k on my XJ's.

From what I've read, they did used to suck pretty bad, but in the past six years, I haven't had any problems. Too each his own though.

salad

Anything with the Champion/FRAM OEM will fall into the same category. The minimopar page is a great reference. El cheapo parts stores and even some OEM ones are rebranded low end FRAM-types. This includes stuff like Nissan (the one they put on the 370z is just embarassing) and MotoMaster (Canadian Tire house brand).

I say you can usually tell by the price point... up here a NAPA Gold is around $8. If your filter costs less than that, there's a reason why.


ZeroCherokee, I'm glad you haven't personally had any problems recently, but I encourage you to look around here. There are stories of FRAM issues a LOT more recent than 6 years old on this forum. I think you read or remembered it backwards, FRAM actually used to be a decent brand. Lately they are the lowest bidder. I don't care what the product is, you get what you pay for and "cheapest of the cheap" isn't a good philosophy to swear by. That said this is referring to the orange can of death filters with black bedliner on em. Apparently the more expensive ones are decent quality like one would expect.

That's quite normal. Also the gauge isn't 100% accurate, bearing wear differs, and weight of oil will matter. "Below middle" at hot idle (which is actually several minutes after the coolant temp gauge reads ~210ish) and "above middle" at use, increasing with RPM, is just where it should be.

ZeroCherokee

Maybe that's why I haven't had problems then. I buy the more expensive ones.

The Rooster

im wondering if there is a difference in the insides of a fram cheap one and a expensive one...

cruiser54

Yes. Varying levels of poor quality materials seasoned with a total disregard by a large corporation favoring their profits over the longevity of our Jeeps.

Cut one open and you'll see it.

Aljay

I've been using the Bosch .

Firestorm500

Good answer. You should patent it and keep it handy when someone pops up on here about every 18 hours and shouts, "I LOVE FRAM!".

Will save a lot of typing and bandwidth.