HELP!!? 87 RENIX 4.0 long crank/long start
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From: Hacienda Heights
Year: 1990
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
The engine sound in your video is obscured by the buzzer and hard to get a diagnosis from but it sounds pretty typical of a flooded engine. Try having someone crank it at WOT (without having cranked it while not at WOT) while you sniff the exhaust pipe and see if it smells like gas. If it does smell have them hold the starter for a little bit and it may fire. If it doesn't smell at all you've pretty much ruled out something that's flooding it while parked. Have you tried restarting it right after shutting it off hot & cold? Starting fluid would be an interesting test, but if it starts it doesn't prove lack of fuel. Starting fluid will also help start something with a weak spark, low compression, and sometimes too much fuel, but still something cheap and easy to try. If it works it'll at least help you get going while you try to find the problem, at some point you're gonna kill the battery or starter with these long cranks. If the starter is skipping while starting you'll also damage the flywheel.
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From: Little Elm, TX
Year: 1987
Model: Cherokee
Engine: Inline 6 cylinder
Ok, so yesterday I had some time, so I sprayed some starter fluid in the air intake tube and it started right up. It ran afterwards, I drove it around some, runs just fine. I even drove it 40 miles to my friends house and back, ran just fine on the highway. But, the longer it sat, the harder it was to start without using starter fluid. This morning it didn't start without starter fluid. So, something has got to be up with the fuel. Whether it's injectors or something.
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If an engine has spark, but doesn't fire with starting fluid, it's ether compression or being flooded. You might google "wet-dry compression test". A tip, I use a section of small vinyl tube to blow the two tablespoons of oil in the cyls for the second set of numbers.
Also I might double check that CPS output while it's not starting since that literally only takes a minute....
Also I might double check that CPS output while it's not starting since that literally only takes a minute....
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It did start with starting fluid yesterday. Today, I tried to start it WITHOUT starting fluid and it wouldn't. When I get home, I'm going to see if it will start with starting fluid again.
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Oh! Gotchya..I did miss that. OK..You found high resistance on the MAP ground....now I'm curious about the injector grounds. You DID clean the dipstick stud...If you intend to keep and run it, Cruiser's 27, bypassing and soldering the C-101 wires might be a thought.
I'm a little happy with this, came up with it myself. The color codes to the injectors. BUT the point is, what is the resistance on the other, ground wire?
LITTLE BALL, LONG GREEN, TEE YOUR WHITE BALL...................................
Light Blue, Light Green, , Tan, Yellow, White, then Black are the injector wire color codes. You might check.
If you know the pair in the middle is right, you only need to check one on each end.
I'm a little happy with this, came up with it myself. The color codes to the injectors. BUT the point is, what is the resistance on the other, ground wire?
LITTLE BALL, LONG GREEN, TEE YOUR WHITE BALL...................................
Light Blue, Light Green, , Tan, Yellow, White, then Black are the injector wire color codes. You might check.
If you know the pair in the middle is right, you only need to check one on each end.
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Oh! Gotchya..I did miss that. OK..You found high resistance on the MAP ground....now I'm curious about the injector grounds. You DID clean the dipstick stud...If you intend to keep and run it, Cruiser's 27, bypassing and soldering the C-101 wires might be a thought.
I'm a little happy with this, came up with it myself. The color codes to the injectors. BUT the point is, what is the resistance on the other, ground wire?
LITTLE BALL, LONG GREEN, TEE YOUR WHITE BALL...................................
Light Blue, Light Green, , Tan, Yellow, White, then Black are the injector wire color codes. You might check.
If you know the pair in the middle is right, you only need to check one on each end.
I'm a little happy with this, came up with it myself. The color codes to the injectors. BUT the point is, what is the resistance on the other, ground wire?
LITTLE BALL, LONG GREEN, TEE YOUR WHITE BALL...................................
Light Blue, Light Green, , Tan, Yellow, White, then Black are the injector wire color codes. You might check.
If you know the pair in the middle is right, you only need to check one on each end.
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From: Hacienda Heights
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Ok, so yesterday I had some time, so I sprayed some starter fluid in the air intake tube and it started right up. It ran afterwards, I drove it around some, runs just fine. I even drove it 40 miles to my friends house and back, ran just fine on the highway. But, the longer it sat, the harder it was to start without using starter fluid. This morning it didn't start without starter fluid. So, something has got to be up with the fuel. Whether it's injectors or something.
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From: Little Elm, TX
Year: 1987
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Yesterday after I got off, I tried to start it WITHOUT starter fluid, wouldn't start. Then I sprayed starter fluid into the intake and it started right up.
Here's a video showing exactly that.
Here's a video showing exactly that.
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Year: 1987
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
OK-Maybe it's just my memory but didn't you start this thread with the low-fuel light on and now on this video you are still showing less than 1/4 of a tank ? I thought you were going to put in $25-30 into that tank a few dozen posts ago. Please put $20 more gas in the tank. If it's running on starter fluid, your spark, compression etc are good. I was really surprised that the two quick hits of starter fluid you gave it made it start that easy. Your gas in that tank at that level could be contaminated with water which might be causing it to run rough right after it starts fine on the ether Your oil pressure looks way too high too-unless your gauge is shot. What oil are you running? 10W-30?
Please put some premium fuel in it for a treat. How about $20 in the tank and then a new video.
Please put some premium fuel in it for a treat. How about $20 in the tank and then a new video.
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Mat, does that have a ceramic resistor on the inner fender near the air box? While you are cranking the fuel pump is suppose to get power from the start relay. The ECU grounds/activates the pump relay a couple secs after turning on the ign, then again after it get's a CPS signal it's running. BUT while cranking it's the start relay that provides power for the pump.
Yours might not have that resistor though. If it does, try jumping power to the rear end of it (Ign on) and see if that helps/and or check that top left terminal on the start relay, see if it's juicing the pump.
Yours might not have that resistor though. If it does, try jumping power to the rear end of it (Ign on) and see if that helps/and or check that top left terminal on the start relay, see if it's juicing the pump.



