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Old Sep 26, 2012 | 09:56 AM
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How do I know I need a fuel pump for my xj. Every time I try to turn it on I have to push the gas to get it started!! Can any body give me any suggestions..
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Old Sep 26, 2012 | 10:03 AM
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First thing I would recommend is to get a fuel pressure gauge and check what the pressure is at prime, about 34.5 psi is normal. If you're good there the next step is making sure it holds pressure once primed, if it drops right after prime then it's either the check valve at the pump assembly is stuck, your fuel pressure regulator is bad or you have leaky injectors.

Does it hard start when you turn it over?
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Old Sep 26, 2012 | 10:17 AM
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When I turn it over, it starts but turns right off.. I just changed the plugs and wires thinking that will help.. It run better just have trouble getting it started..
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Old Sep 26, 2012 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by AridzonaXJ93
First thing I would recommend is to get a fuel pressure gauge and check what the pressure is at prime, about 34.5 psi is normal. If you're good there the next step is making sure it holds pressure once primed, if it drops right after prime then it's either the check valve at the pump assembly is stuck, your fuel pressure regulator is bad or you have leaky injectors.

Does it hard start when you turn it over?

Actually, we have no idea what his fuel pressure is supposed to be because we don't know the year. There were differences in different years.
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Old Sep 26, 2012 | 05:45 PM
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The fuel pressure is set by the fuel pump and the regulator, pushing on the pedal doesn't do a thing to the fuel pressure between the injectors the tank, fuel pressure should be a constant.
The pedal controls incoming air, and there's a throttle position sensor that sends messages to the OBC.
If you convinced pumping the pedal is really helping, then the problem isn't with the pump/regulator.

It wouldn't hurt to check the pressure tho.
...and change the filter.

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Old Sep 26, 2012 | 06:08 PM
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I agree with Marcucco.

Having to "tip in the throttle" to start the engine is a very common symptom of a bad throttle position sensor.
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Old Sep 26, 2012 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcucco
The fuel pressure is set by the fuel pump and the regulator, pushing on the pedal doesn't do a thing to the fuel pressure between the injectors the tank, fuel pressure should be a constant.
The pedal controls incoming air, and there's a throttle position sensor that sends messages to the OBC.
If you convinced pumping the pedal is really helping, then the problem isn't with the pump/regulator.

It wouldn't hurt to check the pressure tho.
...and change the filter.
I notice my XJ starts faster when I pump the gas. Could this be a sensor issue? My filter could use a change, too.

Originally Posted by tjwalker
I agree with Marcucco.

Having to "tip in the throttle" to start the engine is a very common symptom of a bad throttle position sensor.
What are some other symptoms? I noticed recently I thought my idling sounded a bit high.
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Old Sep 27, 2012 | 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 92XJGuy
I notice my XJ starts faster when I pump the gas. Could this be a sensor issue? My filter could use a change, too.

What are some other symptoms? I noticed recently I thought my idling sounded a bit high.
Change your fuel filter. Inexpensive and easy to do on your vintage.

Here's more on the HO throttle position sensor.
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The throttle position sensor is connected to the throttle shaft on the throttle body. It sends throttle valve angle information to the PCM. The PCM uses this information to determine how much fuel the engine needs. The TPS is really just a simple potentiometer with one end connected to 5 volts from the PCM and the other to ground. A third wire is connected to the PCM. As you move the accelerator pedal with your foot, the output of the TPS changes. At a closed throttle position, the output of the TPS is low, about a half a volt. As the throttle valve opens, the output increases so that, at wide open throttle, the output voltage should be above 3.9 volts. Testing can be performed with an electrical meter. Analog meter is best. You are looking for a smooth sweep of voltage throughout the entire throttle band. While slowly opening and closing the throttle, take note to the movement of the voltmeter needle. There should be a direct relationship between the needle motion to the motion of the throttle. If at anytime the needle moves abruptly or inconsistently with the movement of the throttle, the TPS is bad

You should have 5 volts going into the TPS. At idle, TPS output voltage must be greater than 200 millivolts. At wide open throttle (WOT), TPS output voltage must be less than 4.8 volts.. The best is to use an analog meter (not digital) to see if the transition from idle to WOT is smooth with no dead spots. With your meter set for volts, put the black probe on a good ground like your negative battery terminal. With the key on, engine not running, test with the red probe of your meter (install a paper clip into the back of the plug of the TPS) to see which wire has the 5 volts. One of the other wires should show .26V (or so). The other wire will be the ground and should show no voltage. Move the throttle and look for smooth meter response up to the 4.49 at WOT.

Perform the test procedure again and wiggle and/or tap on the TPS while you watch the meter. If you notice any flat spots or abrupt changes in the meter readings, replace the TPS.

The TPS is sensitive to heat, moisture and vibration leading to the failure of some units. The sensor is a sealed unit and cannot be repaired only replaced. A TPS may fail gradually leading to a number of symptoms which can include one or more of the following: -

NOTE: The throttle position sensor is also DIRECTLY involved with transmission shifting characteristics! It should be verified early in the troubleshooting process, when a transmission issue is suspected!

• Poor idle control: The TPS is used by the ECU to determine if the throttle is closed and the car should be using the Idle Air Control Valve exclusively for idle control. A fault TPS sensor can confuse the ECU causing the idle to be erratic or "hunting".
• High Idle Speed: The TPS may report faulty values causing the engine idle speed to be increased above normal. This is normally found in conjunction with a slow engine return to idle speed symptom.
• Slow engine return to idle: A failing TPS can report the minimum throttle position values incorrectly which can stop the engine entering idle mode when the throttle is closed. Normally when the throttle is closed the engine fuel injectors will be deactivated until a defined engine RPM speed is reached and the engine brought smoothly to idle speed. When failing a TPS will not report the throttle closed and fueling will continue causing the engine to return to idle very slowly.
• Engine Hesitation on Throttle Application: The TPS is also used by the ECU to determine if the driver has applied the throttle quicker than the Manifold Air Pressure sensor can read. The fueling is adjusted accordingly to cope with the sudden increase in air volume, however a faulty sensor can cause the ECU to ignore this data and the engine will "hesitate" when applying the throttle. In extreme cases with the engine at idle, a sudden application of full throttle can stall the engine.
• Engine Misfire: A fault TPS can report values outside the denied acceptable range causing the ECU to incorrectly fuel the engine. This is noticeable as a slight misfire and can trigger the misfire detection software and/or Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) light on the dashboard. Extreme cases can cause excessing misfires resulting in one or more cylinders being shut down to prevent engine and catalytic converter damage.
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