Is Fram filter bad?
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So........we've gone from a little friendly jousting about the possibly #1 selling oil filter in the world (that a handful don't like) to hamburgers, to derogatory remarks.......really?......where's the logic in that?
All I asked/stated was....does anybody have any oil filter sales volume numbers?......and am still curious. Myself, and others haven't bashed/flamed/name called any of the Fram haters here so why flame those that have possibly had a part in making Fram filters the #1 selling oil filter in the world. If the Fram filter design was that bad, how could the company still be in business much less possibly be the #1 oil filter manufacturer in the world. Could it possibly be that Fram filters r not as bad as the nay-sayers claim?
Again, buy/use whatever freakin' oil filter gives u the warm/fuzzies and move onward thru the fog.
Vegetables, meat and bread......the ingredients in a hamburger (even a Big Mac).....and all those ingredients r in any "Healthy Food Chart/Pyramid" as designed by doctors.
I'm going to go fire up the grill now (it takes a bit, no gas here)......how do u like your burger? I like mine medium well, with lots of delicious fresh veggies on a fresh whole grain bun......everything that's on that healthy food chart.
All I asked/stated was....does anybody have any oil filter sales volume numbers?......and am still curious. Myself, and others haven't bashed/flamed/name called any of the Fram haters here so why flame those that have possibly had a part in making Fram filters the #1 selling oil filter in the world. If the Fram filter design was that bad, how could the company still be in business much less possibly be the #1 oil filter manufacturer in the world. Could it possibly be that Fram filters r not as bad as the nay-sayers claim?
Again, buy/use whatever freakin' oil filter gives u the warm/fuzzies and move onward thru the fog.
Vegetables, meat and bread......the ingredients in a hamburger (even a Big Mac).....and all those ingredients r in any "Healthy Food Chart/Pyramid" as designed by doctors.
I'm going to go fire up the grill now (it takes a bit, no gas here)......how do u like your burger? I like mine medium well, with lots of delicious fresh veggies on a fresh whole grain bun......everything that's on that healthy food chart.
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I was at Wallyworld today and they had about 20 columns of oil filters on display...only 4 or 5 of which were not Fram.
After my recent awful experience with a Fram filter I will never buy one again...
After my recent awful experience with a Fram filter I will never buy one again...
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The same holds true with oil filters.
By and large filter-related failures aren't happening, and that's despite far worse filters than the OCOD in mass usage.
The "special order" filters Fram built for WalMart's quick lube, for example. They are built to cost about a buck, if that.
The Generic white-can bombs Champion builds for the Valvoline place here are even worse. Yet those things get screwed on by the thousands.
The problem with Fram is they are cheap filters with shoddy construction that are sold for the same price as far better alternatives.
I have a problem with people paying for quality and not getting it, which is why I don't recommend Fram. But outside a drainback valve issue, the advice to unscrew them ASAP as though they were loaded with plastic explosive is unnecessary, IMHO.
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In general, what does high sales volume of a product indicate?
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The Big Mac comparison is actually pretty accurate. Neither will usually kill you on sight, but they start etching away at your innards in a way that is irreversible.
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So.......your point is the quality of the ingredients and the sum of the parts possibly make the Fram filter the #1 selling filter in the world?
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That people really want it. No more, no less.
To the point, a rather famous study by a gentleman named Morgan Spurlock demonstrated the harm that McDonalds' food causes to the human body. A PR nightmare ensued but their sales weren't affected in any statistically relevant manner.
People buy what they want, usually as a result of marketing. Ask McDonalds, ask Philip Morris, ask FRAM. Perceived value has everything to do with it - what you actually get doesn't matter to them.
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The magic of marketing. "you can pay me now...or pay me later" was brilliant. As a result Joe Average Shopper probably recognizes the name "Fram", while Purolator, et al are unknowns. Guess what they buy, lol.
gentleman named Morgan Spurlock demonstrated the harm that McDonalds' food causes to the human body. A PR nightmare ensued but ..
Spurlock ate at Mc Donalds 3X a day for 30 days. Nobody normal does that, which is why his "findings" caused mass-yawning among the general public.
Sorta like being shocked when rats develop cancer after being force-fed their body weight in Saccharin. We aren't, because it's the result we expected.
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[QUOTE=93_xjcherokee;2967182]I eat McDonalds three times a week. Though I can feel my arteries clogging, it tastes good so I still eat it[/QUOTE
Great reasoning!
So use Fram and see which dies first. You or your vehicle.
Great reasoning!
So use Fram and see which dies first. You or your vehicle.
Last edited by Kingfisher; Nov 4, 2014 at 07:14 AM.
