Is Fram filter bad?
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Years ago, while attending an endurance sportscar race at Watkins Glen, while strolling through the pit garage, I got to watch the Risi-Ferrari team putting the bodywork back on their 333-SP, and finishing up the engine bay just prior to the start of the race...................................Not only were there Fram filters on it, they were dumping quarts and quarts of (not racing spec oil) regular off-the-shelf Texaco Havoline motor oil out of a case box into the oil tank.............................That always stuck out in my mind as interesting.......
I bet those V-12s sounded amazing regardless of what oil they were running.
That is crazy, isn't it? Maybe some rookie on the team forgot to pack all the expensive race oil, and they sent him into town to hit up the local NAPA. Watkins Glen does seem to have the best-stocked auto parts stores I've seen just about anywhere.
I bet those V-12s sounded amazing regardless of what oil they were running.
I bet those V-12s sounded amazing regardless of what oil they were running.
I miss those days.....................................My Brothers and I went to the 24hrs of Daytona a bunch of years during the late 90's.....
In the middle of the night, there was less roving security on staff, and you could get right up next to the fence at the Tri-oval...................Those cars would come screaming by at around 200mph just a couple of feet away from where you were standing....................As you get pelted with various bits of rubber and dirt from the track, and watch the flames belching out from the exhaust pipes as they downshift into turn 1.............................I want to go back!
It's funny................I've always noticed all the Ferrari filters mounted like that, and thought to myself..........Why would they design something like that, so that when it comes time to change your oil/filter, you dump used oil all over your pretty engine?
About halfway down the list you'll find the Dodge TSB:
http://www.turbodieselregister.com/t...s/TSB-2012.pdf
Guess who used neoprene compounds as a sealant?
Here's Fram's official response:
http://www.fram.com/media/20656/PH39...59L_Engine.pdf
http://www.turbodieselregister.com/t...s/TSB-2012.pdf
09-004-001 ‘89 - ‘93 (AD)
5/18/01 ‘94 - ‘01 (BR/BE)
Engine lubricant.
This bulletin involves 1989 – 2001 Ram trucks equipped with the 5.9L Cummins diesel engines.
This bulletin discusses the recommended oil filters for use with Cummins 5.9L diesel engine:
Part No. Manufacturer
05016547AC Mopar
LF3894 Fleetguard Stratapore
LF3552 Fleetguard Microglass
LF3959 Fleetguard Cellulose
3937695 Cummins Cellulose
FL896 MotorCraft Cellulose
L45335 Purolator Cellulose
PF1070 AC Delco Cellulose
The information only bulletin was issued to alert the field to problems caused by aftermarket oil filters.
For example, neoprene compounds used internally in the manufacture of oil filters not recommended by DaimlerChrysler may separate from the filter, lodge in the piston cooling
nozzle, and cause the engine to fail. This is not an engine defect.
5/18/01 ‘94 - ‘01 (BR/BE)
Engine lubricant.
This bulletin involves 1989 – 2001 Ram trucks equipped with the 5.9L Cummins diesel engines.
This bulletin discusses the recommended oil filters for use with Cummins 5.9L diesel engine:
Part No. Manufacturer
05016547AC Mopar
LF3894 Fleetguard Stratapore
LF3552 Fleetguard Microglass
LF3959 Fleetguard Cellulose
3937695 Cummins Cellulose
FL896 MotorCraft Cellulose
L45335 Purolator Cellulose
PF1070 AC Delco Cellulose
The information only bulletin was issued to alert the field to problems caused by aftermarket oil filters.
For example, neoprene compounds used internally in the manufacture of oil filters not recommended by DaimlerChrysler may separate from the filter, lodge in the piston cooling
nozzle, and cause the engine to fail. This is not an engine defect.
Here's Fram's official response:
http://www.fram.com/media/20656/PH39...59L_Engine.pdf
Lots of paper towels and a big ziploc bag. If you let the engine sit for 1/2 hour or so most of the oil will drain back out of the filter anyway. You DID notice the brand, right?

Here's details and pics:
http://ferrari.cdyn.com/carl_rose_do...l%20Change.pdf
Last edited by Radi; Nov 6, 2014 at 01:06 AM.
That's why you pay the dealer $1400 for the oil change.
Lots of paper towels and a big ziploc bag. If you let the engine sit for 1/2 hour or so most of the oil will drain back out of the filter anyway. You DID notice the brand, right?
Here's details and pics:
http://ferrari.cdyn.com/carl_rose_do...l%20Change.pdf
Lots of paper towels and a big ziploc bag. If you let the engine sit for 1/2 hour or so most of the oil will drain back out of the filter anyway. You DID notice the brand, right?

Here's details and pics:
http://ferrari.cdyn.com/carl_rose_do...l%20Change.pdf
Wipe the fingerprints off of the oil filler cap?
These folks are a different breed for sure............................
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Not to re-hash too old of a thread, but I'll share my little Fram anti-drainback valve experience.
I changed the oil on my two XJs, both with 4.0s. One had a Purolator filter on it, and the other had a Fram. Both motors had been warmed up to operating temperature, than allowed 15 minutes to cool off, than the oil was drained.
When I started to unscrew the Purolator, the oil between the pump and oil filter adapter that's at filter level or above drains out. When the filter came off the threaded nipple, more oil came out, as the oil in the core of the filter, and all the oil in the down stream (up-hill) oil galleries drained out. This oil was held there by the anti-drainback valve.
When I started to unscrew the Fram, some oil came out at first, but hardly any oil drained out when the filter cleared the threaded nipple. The drainback valve had allowed the oil to drain back into the pan.
I changed the oil on my two XJs, both with 4.0s. One had a Purolator filter on it, and the other had a Fram. Both motors had been warmed up to operating temperature, than allowed 15 minutes to cool off, than the oil was drained.
When I started to unscrew the Purolator, the oil between the pump and oil filter adapter that's at filter level or above drains out. When the filter came off the threaded nipple, more oil came out, as the oil in the core of the filter, and all the oil in the down stream (up-hill) oil galleries drained out. This oil was held there by the anti-drainback valve.
When I started to unscrew the Fram, some oil came out at first, but hardly any oil drained out when the filter cleared the threaded nipple. The drainback valve had allowed the oil to drain back into the pan.
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That's why you use WIX or NAPA Gold (a WIX also) and know what you running. I cut open filters every change daily on my race cars to check the condition of the engine. You do that for 40 yrs and you will see the difference in filtering material and amount of it.
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Not to re-hash too old of a thread, but I'll share my little Fram anti-drainback valve experience.
I changed the oil on my two XJs, both with 4.0s. One had a Purolator filter on it, and the other had a Fram. Both motors had been warmed up to operating temperature, than allowed 15 minutes to cool off, than the oil was drained.
When I started to unscrew the Purolator, the oil between the pump and oil filter adapter that's at filter level or above drains out. When the filter came off the threaded nipple, more oil came out, as the oil in the core of the filter, and all the oil in the down stream (up-hill) oil galleries drained out. This oil was held there by the anti-drainback valve.
When I started to unscrew the Fram, some oil came out at first, but hardly any oil drained out when the filter cleared the threaded nipple. The drainback valve had allowed the oil to drain back into the pan.
I changed the oil on my two XJs, both with 4.0s. One had a Purolator filter on it, and the other had a Fram. Both motors had been warmed up to operating temperature, than allowed 15 minutes to cool off, than the oil was drained.
When I started to unscrew the Purolator, the oil between the pump and oil filter adapter that's at filter level or above drains out. When the filter came off the threaded nipple, more oil came out, as the oil in the core of the filter, and all the oil in the down stream (up-hill) oil galleries drained out. This oil was held there by the anti-drainback valve.
When I started to unscrew the Fram, some oil came out at first, but hardly any oil drained out when the filter cleared the threaded nipple. The drainback valve had allowed the oil to drain back into the pan.
Thanks for reinforcing that.
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