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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 08:12 PM
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I have a 99 xj and the problem im having is hard to describe, im only 16 trying to learn what I can but i dont really know what to call it. Anyways, i have to hold the key in the crank position for a long time before it starts, if the engine has recently been on, it crankd right up, I know its not a weak battery, I bought the best battery i could find a month ago, so the only thing I could think of is crank shaft position sensor?

But since it fires right up shortly after its been on it throws me off...

Can I get some other opinions on this? Also Is there a way to test the sensor?
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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 08:14 PM
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Search "poor man's prime".
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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 08:15 PM
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Is your check engine light on?
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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 08:17 PM
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It sounds like it could be a bad starter. Does it try to turn over or does it do nothing while you have the key turned?
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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by mdnov
Is your check engine light on?
Yes it is, I assume its the evaperator emmissions soloniod (or how ever you say that) Cause otherwise the car runs great.
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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 08:18 PM
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Yes it is, I assume its the evaperator emmissions soloniod (or how ever you say that) Cause otherwise the car runs great.
Don't assume anything. Your Jeep is trying to tell you something and you're ignoring it.
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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by e.coller92
It sounds like it could be a bad starter. Does it try to turn over or does it do nothing while you have the key turned?
It does turn over yea.
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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 08:19 PM
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Do you have a code reader? If not, do you have access to one?
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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 08:20 PM
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So it's a "crank-no start" with a CEL? What's the CEL?
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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by cruiser54

Don't assume anything. Your Jeep is trying to tell you something and you're ignoring it.
So I should go get it tested with like a computer diagnostic or something?
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Originally Posted by mdnov
Do you have a code reader? If not, do you have access to one?
Yea i got a buddy with one
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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 08:21 PM
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So I should go get it tested with like a computer diagnostic or something?
Uh, yeah. The major big box parts stores will scan it for free.
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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 08:24 PM
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Alright like I said I have a friend with one ill go get that done soon then. Thanks for you help, ill post back what it says.
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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 08:24 PM
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Get the code or codes. After that we can help you better. Otherwise it is just speculation.
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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by cruiser54
Search "poor man's prime".
Originally Posted by tjwalker
The check valve is located on top of the gas tank and is part of the fuel pump assembly on 95.5-2001 vintage 4.0 XJs. When the check valve starts to fail, it reduces fuel pressure to a point where an extended crank is needed to start the engine. It is a very common failure. I experienced it on my 99 at around 75K.

A good (and simple) way to troubleshoot this problem is called “the poor mans prime”

1. Turn key to ON position (do not crank the engine!)
2. The fuel pump will energize and run for a couple of seconds
3. Turn key to OFF position
4. Repeat above a two more times
5. NOW crank the engine over

If the engine starts quickly and cleanly after performing this procedure, you may have the check valve issue. If it starts and runs poorly for a few seconds, it could also be a leaky fuel injector resulting in the bleed down and the stumble upon startup is the engine clearing the excess fuel that has leaked into the cylinder because of the faulty injector.

Also be aware that a bad battery can give you this symptom. Sounds strange but it definitely does happen. Have battery load tested if you have any questions; your XJ does NOT like low available battery voltage. Be sure battery connections and posts are CLEAN.

Some troubleshooting tips for extended crank times:

Hook up fuel pressure gauge on the schrader valve on the fuel rail

Start engine and bring to normal operating temperature.

Observe test gauge. Normal operating pressure should be 49.2 psi (plus or minus 5 psi)

Shut engine off.

Pressure should not fall below 30 psi for five minutes.

If pressure falls below 30 psi, it must be determined if a fuel injector, the check valve within the
fuel pump module, or a fuel tube/line is leaking. An adaptor tool/hose included with the fuel pressure gauge can help you with this. Consult gauge manual for more information on this but here is basically how it works:

*Turn the engine off and immediately clamp the fuel line at the adaptor hose. Watch the pressure gauge and see how long it takes to lose pressure.

*If the pressure remains at 49 psi for an extended period of time then the problem is in the tank - possibly the check valve. If the pressure falls below 49 psi fairly rapidly then the problem is probably a leaky fuel injector.

You can limp a check valve problem along indefinitely if you wish as it doesn't mean the fuel pump itself is going bad. Normally, the check valve is replaced as an entire assembly as you have to drop the gas tank to access the assembly. Fuel pump assembly consists of fuel pump, regulator, check valve, filter. If you do replace the fuel pump assembly, purchase a high quality OEM style unit. Some cheap aftermarket assemblies don’t hold up and fail prematurely.
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