ABS Removal-Mortal Sin?
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From: Chicago
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
hmmmm, I replaced the line all the way from the master to the rear hoses a few years back and after manually bleeding the rears to a firm pedal the old fashoned way, once I started the Jeep up (98 Limited) and depressed the brake pedal which went soft, the pump activated and finished the job off. Been fine for 2 years now. 
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Year: 1988
Model: Cherokee
Engine: AMC242
Being more than twice as old as the oldest XJ, and having bought NEW 1986 and 1990 XJ Laredos, I have enjoyed many miles on--and off--the road! Never been a fan of ABS sort of ideas-using devices to dumb down driving skill and responsibility. Kind of like what GPS has done to nearly everyone under 25. Most are lost, incompetent, and dependent without it. Don't know north from south and can't read a real map. Or even that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.
Not a big fan of front wheel drive cars either. Yeah, I get the efficient packaging idea etc. But having owned a PT Cruiser for 13 years, I can say I will never buy another sidewinder that is essentially a throw away car. I got rid of it at 140k miles when the water pump failed with 40k on it. Cost to replace it was nearly same as doing the cam belt at 100K: $1200. Pump is driven by cam belt (stupido or what?) and buried down under everything in the lower right front corner. Same labor as doing cam belt replacement. And to replace the clutch, you have to dismantle the front suspension-to pull the half shafts, to pull the transmission, etc. You could totally remove and rebuild a transfer case on an XJ in half the time and effort the PT Cruiser water pump replacement takes. Oh, and to replace the spark plugs you have to remove the throttle body and then remove the intake manifold. I kid you not!
What are new Wrangler owners in for with that fancy V6? I wonder.
Not a big fan of front wheel drive cars either. Yeah, I get the efficient packaging idea etc. But having owned a PT Cruiser for 13 years, I can say I will never buy another sidewinder that is essentially a throw away car. I got rid of it at 140k miles when the water pump failed with 40k on it. Cost to replace it was nearly same as doing the cam belt at 100K: $1200. Pump is driven by cam belt (stupido or what?) and buried down under everything in the lower right front corner. Same labor as doing cam belt replacement. And to replace the clutch, you have to dismantle the front suspension-to pull the half shafts, to pull the transmission, etc. You could totally remove and rebuild a transfer case on an XJ in half the time and effort the PT Cruiser water pump replacement takes. Oh, and to replace the spark plugs you have to remove the throttle body and then remove the intake manifold. I kid you not!
What are new Wrangler owners in for with that fancy V6? I wonder.
Isn't it the Ford "modular" engine that has spark plugs with an 11/16" hex, requiring a THINWALL socket to fit down the plug tube to reach the damned things? You can't even stick a standard 11/16" deep down there, the wall has to be turned down in a lathe, and probably a third of the thickness removed. Or, it will not fit down the damned hole!
I figure this is a product of CAD/CAM. I prefer to design using a pencil and my melon. If you can just go *click* *click* *click* to place a line, there's no real thought involved - and some poor bastard like me has to figure out what to do later (don't even get me started on all this "engine fairing" crap!)
When you've got to manually draw a line, you're more likely to think about where it's going, and what's going on around it...
McDonnell-Douglas Aviation has an interesting policy. If you want to be a design engineer, fine. However, you spend your first five years not designing, but as a mechanic. Why? So you know to design something that can be serviced.
This needs to happen in the automotive world. BADLY
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From: Louisville,KY
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I rather have a older rwd car or 4x4 truck solid axle none of that ifs stuff.The old stuff you could see what your working on easy and parts are cheaper.I hate working on a newer car or truck its a nightmare to do plugs on a fwd v6.
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Model: Cherokee
Abs is not as big of a deal as some people make it out to be. You should only need to bleed it if you replace the hydraulic control unit. It is not required for replacing normal brake components or the the lines.
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Being more than twice as old as the oldest XJ, and having bought NEW 1986 and 1990 XJ Laredos, I have enjoyed many miles on--and off--the road! Never been a fan of ABS sort of ideas-using devices to dumb down driving skill and responsibility. Kind of like what GPS has done to nearly everyone under 25. Most are lost, incompetent, and dependent without it. Don't know north from south and can't read a real map. Or even that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.
Not a big fan of front wheel drive cars either. Yeah, I get the efficient packaging idea etc. But having owned a PT Cruiser for 13 years, I can say I will never buy another sidewinder that is essentially a throw away car. I got rid of it at 140k miles when the water pump failed with 40k on it. Cost to replace it was nearly same as doing the cam belt at 100K: $1200. Pump is driven by cam belt (stupido or what?) and buried down under everything in the lower right front corner. Same labor as doing cam belt replacement. And to replace the clutch, you have to dismantle the front suspension-to pull the half shafts, to pull the transmission, etc. You could totally remove and rebuild a transfer case on an XJ in half the time and effort the PT Cruiser water pump replacement takes. Oh, and to replace the spark plugs you have to remove the throttle body and then remove the intake manifold. I kid you not!
What are new Wrangler owners in for with that fancy V6? I wonder.
Not a big fan of front wheel drive cars either. Yeah, I get the efficient packaging idea etc. But having owned a PT Cruiser for 13 years, I can say I will never buy another sidewinder that is essentially a throw away car. I got rid of it at 140k miles when the water pump failed with 40k on it. Cost to replace it was nearly same as doing the cam belt at 100K: $1200. Pump is driven by cam belt (stupido or what?) and buried down under everything in the lower right front corner. Same labor as doing cam belt replacement. And to replace the clutch, you have to dismantle the front suspension-to pull the half shafts, to pull the transmission, etc. You could totally remove and rebuild a transfer case on an XJ in half the time and effort the PT Cruiser water pump replacement takes. Oh, and to replace the spark plugs you have to remove the throttle body and then remove the intake manifold. I kid you not!
What are new Wrangler owners in for with that fancy V6? I wonder.
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From: Hanover,Ont, Canada
Year: 1991
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So YES remove that abs!
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From: Parham, ON
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L OBD-II
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Model: Cherokee
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From: Groveland, CA
Year: 1996 Two Door Wagoneer
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L
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As a 20+ years as a chrysler tech I totaly agree! This newer stuff is crazy, software, updates, more damm magic boxes than you can imagine. Look at an owners manual for a new car and its all about their nav, bluetooth, heated and cooled everything,,,no real info about the vehicle anymore. Blind spot detection, forward collision detection, park assist, back up camera, traction control, stabitily control, hill start assist,
Rapid car replacement has a huge environmental impact as well. And I am not just talking about the disposal side of the equation. Its the conversion of natural resources of whatever kind into a car sooner than necessary that is the real issue. But no one looks at that side of it. Newer does not mean greener in the big picture. Can we say "new car industry stakeholders" here?
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From: Parham, ON
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L OBD-II
Herp Derp Jerp
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From: Parham, ON
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L OBD-II
I just can't believe that's actually a thing. I thought people who drove sticks were supposed to have a ****ing clue! Having a system that automatically applies brakes without you touching anything... I cannot fathom who thought that was a good idea.
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Year: 1994
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 2.1 TD
ABS systems are nice to have if you ever need to brake hard on a slippery surface and turn at the same time, even at low speeds it can be very helpful on snowy or icy conditions, but it will give you 10-20% longer stopping distance. I have long cold icy winters (Norway) and have frequent near-moose encounters, but i don't miss ABS, i prefer shorter stopping and manually pump-brake when needed.
