94 Cherokee, died driving. Cranks/no start
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94 Cherokee, died driving. Cranks/no start
It died very suddenly, it did NOT buck/jerk like a fuel pressure issue. It only did a flash out code 55 which I believe signals the end of code display, so no codes. I do not have a gauge for checking fuel pressure but with the schrader valve on the fuel rail pressed and the key cycled to run, fuel sprayed out in a pretty substantial quantity. So I turned to the ignition system. No spark, so I replaced the distributor cap and rotor as they have at least 60-70 K miles on them. Still crank no start. What are the likely causes of this? Thanks for any help.
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Agree with Dave. Crankshaft position sensor is certainly high on the suspect list. Probably the most common sensor failure on the 4.0 engine. They can be tested, but testing isn't always conclusive. SEARCH for testing technique.
Your ignition coil is also a possibility but the crank sensor fails more frequently. You can test your coil for primary and secondary resistances with a meter and a manual.
If you replace the crank sensor, do yourself a favor and buy a genuine Mopar/Jeep sensor for best results and reliability. Aftermarket crank sensors are "hit and miss".
Other possibilities and the route of "spark" below. Good luck and keep us updated!
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Spark: 12 volts from ignition switch to the ASD relay; when the key is first turned on the PCM provides a ground to the ASD relay to energize it, then the ASD relay passes 12 volts to the coil primary side. If no crank sensor signal is generated after a couple of seconds the PCM cuts the ground to the ASD relay (and fuel pump relay too) and that cuts power to the coil (and fuel pump). Key to START and once again the PCM energizes the ASD relay. Now, a critical element is the crank sensor--no signal from the crank sensor and the PCM won't trigger the coil to provide spark.
Your ignition coil is also a possibility but the crank sensor fails more frequently. You can test your coil for primary and secondary resistances with a meter and a manual.
If you replace the crank sensor, do yourself a favor and buy a genuine Mopar/Jeep sensor for best results and reliability. Aftermarket crank sensors are "hit and miss".
Other possibilities and the route of "spark" below. Good luck and keep us updated!
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Spark: 12 volts from ignition switch to the ASD relay; when the key is first turned on the PCM provides a ground to the ASD relay to energize it, then the ASD relay passes 12 volts to the coil primary side. If no crank sensor signal is generated after a couple of seconds the PCM cuts the ground to the ASD relay (and fuel pump relay too) and that cuts power to the coil (and fuel pump). Key to START and once again the PCM energizes the ASD relay. Now, a critical element is the crank sensor--no signal from the crank sensor and the PCM won't trigger the coil to provide spark.
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Thanks Dave and TJ for the quick response. Sorry I didn’t mention this is a 4.0 litre. One question, since this is a 94, OBD1 no misfire detection was required and it has a distributor so correct me if I’m wrong but it wouldn’t have a crank sensor would it? All ignition triggering is in the distributor isn’t it? And for that matter, the injection system, while it is port injection, is it sequential, or bank fire?
Since I made the original post I have pulled the coil and checked resistance. Right around 1.2 ohms on the primary and about 11.8K on the secondary. I also found I have 12 volts to the coil, and the ground side will flash a test light when cranking. I did notice the coil connector is missing its latch and was not completely seated. It is now seated well but still no start. I pulled spark plugs and they are pretty wet with fuel and have a lot of “grunge” (technical term ) on them and I am now wondering if they are shorting. I plan to get a set of new plugs this morning. I am operating on the theory that the initial stall and subsequent no start was due to a loss of ignition, and I now have that corrected, but the old plugs are now so fuel saturated that they are shorting out. I will post a reply after I get the new plugs in.
Since I made the original post I have pulled the coil and checked resistance. Right around 1.2 ohms on the primary and about 11.8K on the secondary. I also found I have 12 volts to the coil, and the ground side will flash a test light when cranking. I did notice the coil connector is missing its latch and was not completely seated. It is now seated well but still no start. I pulled spark plugs and they are pretty wet with fuel and have a lot of “grunge” (technical term ) on them and I am now wondering if they are shorting. I plan to get a set of new plugs this morning. I am operating on the theory that the initial stall and subsequent no start was due to a loss of ignition, and I now have that corrected, but the old plugs are now so fuel saturated that they are shorting out. I will post a reply after I get the new plugs in.
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All 4.0 engines have crankshaft position sensors. Every year of them.
I'd highly recommend that you get yourself a manual if you plan on doing pretty much anything on your XJ. Great how-to, diagrams, pics. Here is a source to one that is reasonably priced at $7.95 for digital.
http://www.pacificcoastmanuals.com/j...e_manuals.html
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The crank sensor is a reference signal for the PCM to control ignition timing and set fuel mixtures. If it has electronic fuel injection, it needs a crank sensor.
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Found the crank sensor
It died very suddenly, it did NOT buck/jerk like a fuel pressure issue. It only did a flash out code 55 which I believe signals the end of code display, so no codes. I do not have a gauge for checking fuel pressure but with the schrader valve on the fuel rail pressed and the key cycled to run, fuel sprayed out in a pretty substantial quantity. So I turned to the ignition system. No spark, so I replaced the distributor cap and rotor as they have at least 60-70 K miles on them. Still crank no start. What are the likely causes of this? Thanks for any help.
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A coil fixed it. The original one was capable of making a spark, out in the open when testing, but was apparently too weak to make a spark in a cylinder under compression. The resistance checks I did on the primary and secondary side were within spec, which is why I went with the consensus and replaced the crank sensor. When the crank sensor did not fix it about all that was left was the coil. I replaced it reluctantly and was of course pleased when the engine started. Thanks to all for your advice it was very helpful .
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A coil fixed it. The original one was capable of making a spark, out in the open when testing, but was apparently too weak to make a spark in a cylinder under compression. The resistance checks I did on the primary and secondary side were within spec, which is why I went with the consensus and replaced the crank sensor. When the crank sensor did not fix it about all that was left was the coil. I replaced it reluctantly and was of course pleased when the engine started. Thanks to all for your advice it was very helpful .
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Important lesson learned is that old worn (electrodes eroded) spark plugs will over time stress the coil and lead to failure. The irony here is that the 4.0 is such a solid engine in terms of durability and reliability that it’s easy to lose track of some of the routine maintenance items. An exception in my case is oil changes which I am almost religious about. Otherwise, I hate to admit it but I do not recall when I last changed the plugs. The engine just keeps going and going so I am guilty of taking it a bit for granted. Those old plugs were pure ugly coming out and yet I was not experiencing any misfires, that I could feel.
Thanks again and Happy Holidays.
Thanks again and Happy Holidays.
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Yeah, I think Jeep says change at 100K miles! At 50K they are pretty whipped.
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