2014 Trailhawk
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That's a Land Rover LR4, not a Range Rover. Range Rovers are the bling-mobiles with factory 40" rims and exhaust pipes that run underneath the rear axle.
Last edited by salad; Dec 22, 2013 at 12:24 PM.
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I'd probably put my money on any land rover over most 4x4s stock for stock, again as long as it starts
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Doubt that bud. Range Rovers have the same clearance underneath as most of the Dodge Caravans driving around town, a fancy power plant isn't going to change that. It's pretty clearly a street vehicle designed for British yuppies who think they need a 4x4 whenever leaves fall off the trees.
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Doubt that bud. Range Rovers have the same clearance underneath as most of the Dodge Caravans driving around town, a fancy power plant isn't going to change that. It's pretty clearly a street vehicle designed for British yuppies who think they need a 4x4 whenever leaves fall off the trees.
Idk how it's feb 2014 issue lol but check out feb2014 4wheel n off-road I don't agree that range rover does better then GC diesel or the ram 2500diesel or the silverado 1500 but it's pretty good for what it is
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My point is that the engine doesn't matter. If you want to say one vehicle is better than another in a scenario where drivetrain control, suspension, and clearance are important, blathering on about superchargers is about as meaningful as finding Jesus in the wood grain of your cupboard lol
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My point is that the engine doesn't matter. If you want to say one vehicle is better than another in a scenario where drivetrain control, suspension, and clearance are important, blathering on about superchargers is about as meaningful as finding Jesus in the wood grain of your cupboard lol
I mean your also looking at vehicle for 90k compared to the fully optioned cherokee trail hawk at 30k so the goodies the range rover has isn't just luxury
It holds it's own off-road point and go and still a 0-60 of 5.2 lol no it's not greatest thing since sliced bread but giving most other makers out there for the price this is at it better be better otherwise why buy one
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Wrong!
There are some off-road videos featuring the Trailhawk which are quite impressive.
I'll see if I can dig them up. I agree the standard road tests are quite boring.
Here ya go:
https://www.google.com/search?q=jeep...m=122&ie=UTF-8
There are some off-road videos featuring the Trailhawk which are quite impressive.
I'll see if I can dig them up. I agree the standard road tests are quite boring.
Here ya go:
https://www.google.com/search?q=jeep...m=122&ie=UTF-8
I can agree a locker is awesome but then again I know a guy on a stock blue xj that is open open and he can take on trails that others that are bigger and locked have trouble on, he just knows how to pick his lines and keep all four tires planted.
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You know I respect you for all you know but you have to see that I'm right that there is still no proof till they put a upcountry xj and the trail hawk on the same course and same lines. The videos you brought up I know my xj could and has done when it was stock on 235's(upcountry package) but I do agree with salad with the statement that with ours being a bit cheaper, we are a bit more lienietd on pushing ours more. I can agree a locker is awesome but then again I know a guy on a stock blue xj that is open open and he can take on trails that others that are bigger and locked have trouble on, he just knows how to pick his lines and keep all four tires planted.
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Well after watching those videos, I'm not impressed. Those "trails" are so groomed, it hurt to watch. The rocky sections were as flat as possible, and they still needed a spotter? It had trouble going uphill, on a flat dirt road. Totally manufactured settings, real world trails are not going to be so forgiving. The one thing that they did get right however was calling it "the weasel"...because Jeep is trying to weasel this thing onto the market as a capable off road rig. In the other vid, with the guy from Jeep stating "it did Hell's Revenge in Moab, Utah, and it's a world famous trail", most cars can do that trail. Not very technical at all. I'll hold out to make a final judgement though, until we see some real world people on real world trails.
See this was why I was fascinated and still love chemistry/science. Because its more about proving with facts than heresay. This is why I'm not bias with this, the trailhawk could be better than a upcountry BUT the upcountry could actually be better than the trailhawk. Won't know till a proven test is shown.
Side note though, what's the rti score for a upcountry xj? I saw somewhere that the kl did a rti but didn't see numbers, read or saw it did sorta poorly but it would give a basis of which might do better in a off camber/articulation/loss of traction scenario
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He might not though, he might have it a bit easier than one who has to give it a bit more gas but like salad said, we would be more willing to push it harder to make it. Ill believe the kl is better with its locker when it does a line that a xj that even throttling out or giving it all it can, does not make it up.
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See you ask for proof all the numbers out there should be ground clearance departure angles are all relatively similar and this kl has a locker and more power I fail to see how it couldn't be better at least the exact same ?
Say you push em as hard as one another there's no way giving the numbers the kl could lose if driven by same driver taking the same lines
Say you push em as hard as one another there's no way giving the numbers the kl could lose if driven by same driver taking the same lines