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Old Mar 24, 2011 | 11:49 AM
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^ you seem to know a little bit yourself
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Old Mar 24, 2011 | 12:06 PM
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check this: http://naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1031285
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Old Mar 24, 2011 | 12:33 PM
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yeah, he sure did a solid job. too bad its an auto...
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Old Mar 24, 2011 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ericfx1984
Megasquirt is NOT a piggy back, it is a stand alone...


PSI on a turbo does not mean anything...

5 PSI on a GT35R is WAY more air than 5 psi on a t25

it is not that turbo PSI that blows the headgasket, it is the pinging from a **** poor tune...

you are just repeating stuff you have heard... honestly there is little to NO facts in what you are saying...

I am gonna guess you have NEVER built a turbo setup on your own
excuse me, but I ran one on a car I did at work years back, tied it into the stock ecm. I used to modify engines as part of my job. Machine shop/race for dirt track. we were playing with 300+hp 2.3 ford motors. Fun stuff. Yes, I only say what to do, I don't give facts. READ THE SIG.

Apexi is good, however when we tried tuning with it we ran into glitches, not bashing them just our experience in what we were trying to accomplish.

small turbo=fast spool= more power for the low end.

in the shop we got 1700Hp or so running a smallish turbo with a big turbo after it. Diesel Cummings, pulling tractor.

YOU ARE LIMITED BY THE V.E. ANYWAY in the 4.0 why bother
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Old Mar 24, 2011 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by A_Jeepr

excuse me, but I ran one on a car I did at work years back, tied it into the stock ecm. I used to modify engines as part of my job. Machine shop/race for dirt track. we were playing with 300+hp 2.3 ford motors. Fun stuff. Yes, I only say what to do, I don't give facts. READ THE SIG.

Apexi is good, however when we tried tuning with it we ran into glitches, not bashing them just our experience in what we were trying to accomplish.

small turbo=fast spool= more power for the low end.

in the shop we got 1700Hp or so running a smallish turbo with a big turbo after it. Diesel Cummings, pulling tractor.

YOU ARE LIMITED BY THE V.E. ANYWAY in the 4.0 why bother
Limited to what? Lol
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Old Mar 24, 2011 | 07:01 PM
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volumetric efficiency of the engine. how much air the engine pumps. Thats all an engine is a giant air pump, the more air in and out, higher VE more power possable

basic of basic engine modification jargon
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Old Mar 24, 2011 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by A_Jeepr
volumetric efficiency of the engine. how much air the engine pumps. Thats all an engine is a giant air pump, the more air in and out, higher VE more power possable

basic of basic engine modification jargon
I know what it means. Don't patronize me.

But you say its limited, which its not.

A lot of power can still be made on a low ve engine when you're talking about forced induction.
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Old Mar 24, 2011 | 07:39 PM
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Got a 88 turbo coupe, those 2.3 fords can handle a CRAP load of power.
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Old Mar 24, 2011 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by s14unimog
^ you seem to know a little bit yourself

I built a few boosted m20 strokers, a m50 turbo and an stroker m50 turbo (both with and with out vanos) done a few things nothing fancy
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Old Mar 24, 2011 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by A_Jeepr
excuse me, but I ran one on a car I did at work years back, tied it into the stock ecm.
you where letting the megasquirt run the fuel and letting your stock ECU run the timing? you must have not heared about the megaspark add on...
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Old Mar 25, 2011 | 12:59 AM
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I have to chime in. I've been researching turbo information a bit, cuz I have one I plan on putting in my jeep. I will know a lot more when it's done! What I do know is you definitely need to upgrade your injectors and figure out some way to manage injection pulse and timing. For all the sensors going into the computer, those are the most pertinent outputs. My jeep is a RENIX so it has a knock sensor, which may come in handy to keep me from burning it down. The turbo kits available are about 4 grand, I figure I can do mine for under 1000.
My big plan is to build my own header and come out to the side more so the turbo isn't hanging under my engine. After that, a positive pressure sensor to replace the map and something to trick the ECM to give the right pulses to the injectors. You can actually make a manual device with a variable resistor to control the timing and injectors. Not as high speed as having a chip but it might work. I will definitely make a thread when I get going on that little project.
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Old Mar 25, 2011 | 10:57 AM
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I still don't get why people want to turbo charge the XJ. Why not centrifugal supercharge it? The necessary complexity of the exhaust, wastegate, turbo placement, etc... is just unnecessary for this vehicle. Not to mention the stacked manifolds. If anyone ever wants to supercharge one, give me a shout. I am a Rotrex OEM and although I can't offer you a warranty I CAN beat any and all competitive pricing. Once I get the time I will undoubtedly go that route.


I do love how the guy who boosted his on NAXJA used a water cooler. That IS the way to go if you got the FI route.



Originally Posted by ericfx1984
I built a few boosted m20 strokers, a m50 turbo and an stroker m50 turbo (both with and with out vanos) done a few things nothing fancy
Nice! I love a boosted bimmer. My experience is with RWD imports. Currently I own and operate a 500hp 2.0L 240sx that I built for drifting. boost is addictive and so the XJ, although it doesn't really need it, will get FI at some point. Suspension and gearing is the priority for mine at the moment.

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Old Mar 25, 2011 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by A_Jeepr
excuse me, but I ran one on a car I did at work years back, tied it into the stock ecm. I used to modify engines as part of my job. Machine shop/race for dirt track. we were playing with 300+hp 2.3 ford motors. Fun stuff. Yes, I only say what to do, I don't give facts. READ THE SIG.

Apexi is good, however when we tried tuning with it we ran into glitches, not bashing them just our experience in what we were trying to accomplish.

small turbo=fast spool= more power for the low end.

in the shop we got 1700Hp or so running a smallish turbo with a big turbo after it. Diesel Cummings, pulling tractor.

YOU ARE LIMITED BY THE V.E. ANYWAY in the 4.0 why bother
Its cummins, was it the 5.9 or the 6.7? What did you do to it to get 1700HP.

Originally Posted by tiwvr1
Got a 88 turbo coupe, those 2.3 fords can handle a CRAP load of power.
I have one
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Old Mar 25, 2011 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Diesel

Its cummins, was it the 5.9 or the 6.7? What did you do to it to get 1700HP.

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Id love to know that also, if I did that much work to a motor, id know how to spell it
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Old Mar 25, 2011 | 11:24 AM
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Exactly, I have a 6.7 with about 7 grand into it, and its not pushing near 1kHP yet. 682 hp and 1307 ft/lbs.


Airdog fuel system, s&b intake, 90hp injector nozzles, modified CP3 injection pump, arp head studs, tune from h&s performance, htt mani and a sb66. Also have a DPF delete, cat delete and a EGR block.

Its not as easy as it sounds to get a cummins to 1kHP.
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