TOTM welding tips/tricks
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From: Oceanside So Cal
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If i'm not mistaken, this thread is for people looking to learn more about welding. I find it hilarious how threatened some people get when I simply drop some knowledge on the conversation. Apparently knowing something about welding makes me an arrogant ***. So be it. I'm a professional welder and I know a lot about it, so when I contribute to the effort, maybe you shouldn't get all up in a tizzy and just try to learn something. 

But as a professional, if your going to give advise...please make sure it is factual...
no tissy here...lol
now for those of you looking to purchase a new welder, if its off brand(other than miller, lincon, esab..) be sure to look into aftermarket support. You should have the ability to purchase drive rollers, contact tips(sized for wire) gas nozzles...and if you work in your garage thats cluttered..you might want to look into replacment liners..once they get kinked the ability to reliabley feed wire at a constant feed rate deminishes greatly.
another thing, if you "roll" your torch around the handle of your machine...make the longest, laziest loops possible(helps keep the liner from being "kinked".
Originally Posted by outkast
I like the idea of it but I was more leaning towards getting an invertor strong enough to power a welder while on trail. I want a proper control of my amperage (rather than upping my throttle to up the amperage, high idle in the AZ heay no thanks)
Somewhere I saw a post of that and it made my mouth drool so much.
I could also go with one of those fancy arc setups that I forget the name of. More or less an expensive invertor with an arc welder built in. Cool idea but not for me. I just hate the idea of upping the revs on my engine.
I am way into the idea of getting some deeeeeep batteries so the alternator only has to come on in spirts. Keep in mind the planned setup I have is going to have two alternators totalling over 200 amps easily. (The zj swap alone will get me up to 136 amps..)
But as a professional, if your going to give advise...please make sure it is factual...
Oh. So which part wasn't factual? Saying you can't actually GET 90 amps of useful welding current out of a 110 machine that may SAY it can produce 90 amps? Of course I could have done a search and listed the ratings of various machines, but I already know that what I said was basically true. Duty cycle among other things allows manufacturers to fudge the numbers a good deal. My experience with 110 welders is that when you max out the wire speed/amperage, the voltage isn't enough to get penetration. However, I will make sure all my professional advice is thoroughly researched from now on, K?

I mean, other people can post all sorts of random nonsense and hearsay, but I will be the exception.
Oh. So which part wasn't factual? Saying you can't actually GET 90 amps of useful welding current out of a 110 machine that may SAY it can produce 90 amps? Of course I could have done a search and listed the ratings of various machines, but I already know that what I said was basically true. Duty cycle among other things allows manufacturers to fudge the numbers a good deal. My experience with 110 welders is that when you max out the wire speed/amperage, the voltage isn't enough to get penetration. However, I will make sure all my professional advice is thoroughly researched from now on, K?

I mean, other people can post all sorts of random nonsense and hearsay, but I will be the exception.
What some people may not realize is that many MIG welders show wire speed rather than amperage, so the numbers aren't necessarily an indication of your amp output.
MIG welding is perfect for almost anything on a Jeep, except headers and turbo intakes of course. MIG welding is considered the easiest welding process to master, although I feel it takes a fair amount of practice and skill to make really awesome welds. However, it is often referred to as the "metal hot glue gun" of welding processes, and just about anyone can manage to stick metal together with a MIG gun. Stick welding is something I don't know much about other than its a pain, takes skill and patience, and is not nearly as common as it used to be. TIG welding is the crown jewel in a weldor's portfolio, as it takes more finesse and is regarded as the most difficult to master yet produces the most beautiful results. TIG welding is universal and can be used on any weldable metal. However, it's slow, and tyically requires two hands and a pedal or other amperage control, so welding in funky positions is quite challenging. The upside is that a lot of TIG weldors spend their days in short sleeves sitting in a comfortable chair, instead of being showered with sparks lying under a truck like MIG or stick weldors often are. A lot of people ask what welding machine to buy, which process is best, etc. I have said it before, and I am still adamant that cheap Chinese welders are a poor choice for a number of reasons. I have heard that some of the TIG machines perform well. Same for the MIG or fluxcore machines. However, not many of them have been in service long enough to make any judgments about their durability or longevity. You can find Miller, Lincoln, ESAB, and Linde machines that have been running longer than I've been alive. Also there is the moral question of buying crap from China. I for one refuse to go to Walmart, ever. It's almost impossible to avoid buying some Chinese tools, as even Craftsman is now mostly Chinese. BUT, every chance I get I buy stuff made elsewhere, any where else really. Taiwan, India, I don't care as long as it's not China. We will all come to regret buying Chinese soon enough. That's an opinion, not a fact.
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Stick welders are definitely becoming less common for the weekend warrior and general shop duties. They are still the norm in most industrial, bridge, tank and pipe welding. I personally believe it is one of the best ways to start learning because a decent welder can be picked up for cheap and electrodes are also dirt cheap. That and it works much better than any other process on rusty or dirty metal.
Last edited by outkast; Jun 3, 2012 at 01:13 PM.
Stick is definitely the cheapest, down-and-dirty way to weld anything anywhere. Outside, inside, under water, it can all be done with stick. And a name brand machine might only cost a couple hundred bucks. For those who are good with stick, I commend you. For the rest of us, I will take a MIG welder any day for my Jeep, and a TIG torch and comfy chair for my day job.
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Stick is definitely the cheapest, down-and-dirty way to weld anything anywhere. Outside, inside, under water, it can all be done with stick. And a name brand machine might only cost a couple hundred bucks. For those who are good with stick, I commend you. For the rest of us, I will take a MIG welder any day for my Jeep, and a TIG torch and comfy chair for my day job. 

But i wish i was trained in the art of TIG welding. One day.
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im not sure if anyone has shared it yet but http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com/index.html is an amazing website full of lots of helpful info, i basically taught myself how to weld with this site.
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can you leave this thread to people who actually know what theyre doing?
Originally Posted by desertdog
Don't make me drive up to Hesperia to educate you about welding...ask an engineer next time you get a chance before you decide you're the expert. 

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im old school stick welder but everbody does it different as long as it works for ya its all good...to each his own what makes us all different
Originally Posted by freegdr
im old school stick welder but everbody does it different as long as it works for ya its all good...to each his own what makes us all different


