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Old Jan 14, 2016 | 12:25 AM
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Is it OK to use hot rolled steel for control arm brackets?
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Old Jan 14, 2016 | 01:24 AM
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You should probably post this in the Fabrication forums.
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Old Jan 14, 2016 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by long_and_greasy
You should probably post this in the Fabrication forums.
Last time I knew it wasn't for questions.
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Old Jan 14, 2016 | 10:32 AM
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" Fabrication is reserved for completed and under going projects, not for questions and general chat about fabrication. "

Quoted as per the Moderators of CF

But as to the original question, I don't know, but someone on here should know.
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Old Jan 14, 2016 | 11:08 AM
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This link may be helpful:
http://metalsupermarkets.com/blog/di...-rolled-steel/


Cold rolled steel will be a little bit stronger than hot rolled steel, but I'm honestly not sure if that difference of strength will be a problem for your application.
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for control arm.. brackets? You are using round steel for your brackets?

either way, the strength of the steel is fine. It will be the design of the bracket that matters

if you were going to make hrew control ARMS you stand a great risk of bending them
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Old Jan 14, 2016 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Atmos
for control arm.. brackets? You are using round steel for your brackets?

either way, the strength of the steel is fine. It will be the design of the bracket that matters

if you were going to make hrew control ARMS you stand a great risk of bending them
No....hot roll flat plate...
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Old Jan 14, 2016 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by scbrooks87
This link may be helpful:
http://metalsupermarkets.com/blog/di...-rolled-steel/


Cold rolled steel will be a little bit stronger than hot rolled steel, but I'm honestly not sure if that difference of strength will be a problem for your application.
I know the difference just curious as to whether or not it's ok to use.
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that's the same mild steel that everyone uses. it's plenty strong as long as you have a decent design/bracing
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Old Jan 14, 2016 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Atmos
that's the same mild steel that everyone uses. it's plenty strong as long as you have a decent design/bracing
Did you look at the link above? There is a decent strength difference and visual difference. I've just never seen anyone using hot roll.
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Old Jan 14, 2016 | 04:02 PM
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Hot roll/formed Is going to rust pretty fast versus cold form steel.
IMO- Cold roll is way better material!
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Originally Posted by xjr10
Did you look at the link above? There is a decent strength difference and visual difference. I've just never seen anyone using hot roll.
Yep. That's mild carbon steel. Which is pretty much what you're gonna get at your local scrap yard. Nothing to be worried about
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The difference in "strength" between cold roll and hot roll is fairly negligible when comparing similar alloys. In general, cold roll is harder (but not always.. look at T1 and the like).

I work in a steel yard and for something like that, it's my opinion that you should not spend the extra cash. The main reason cold roll is more desirable at times is its machineability and lack of defects. Also in thinner gauges (22-24) it will hold form much better. You'll be fine with regular mild steel. It is what everyone uses. As for it rusting, get some 588 if you are worried about it. It is supposed to last nearly forever. Or do what everyone else does and paint it.

We sell and process millions of lbs of hot rolled product for almost everything you can imagine.. trailers, farm equipment, construction companies, custom car builders, roll cages, railroad bridges. We generally only sell cold roll to machinists, black smiths or in other aplications where perfection is crucial.

I'm short, save your cash. Use what everyone else does.

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Originally Posted by Ron& Lisa
Hot roll/formed Is going to rust pretty fast versus cold form steel.
IMO- Cold roll is way better material!
That is not true. Cold roll is usually covered in an oil to protect it from rust because the perfectly smooth face/dimensions are what is desired. In order for your paint to adhear, it will have to be removed. Hot roll is usually not as the surface is not as crucial. The composition of the alloy determines how fast it rusts. Not the process in which it was made.

Cold roll is a better material... but not for any reason applicable for use in control arm brackets.

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Originally Posted by Ianf406
That is not true. In general, cold roll is covered in an oil to protect it from rust because the perfectly smooth face/dimensions are what is desired. In order for your paint to adhear, it will have to be removed. Hot roll is general not as the surface is not as crucial. The composition of the alloy determines how fast it rusts. Not the process in which it was made.

Cold roll is a better material... but not for any reason applicable for use in control arm brackets.

Ya...kinda wondered on that one. And I get small pieces for free so I'm not losing any money
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