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Old 08-07-2012, 11:16 AM
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Prolonged Ignition Time


Alright guys I am going to test your knowledge.
My 98 Cherokee Classic is turning over for a long time before it starts.
It has a 4.0.

Here is a list of parts I have replaced:
Crankshaft Position Sensor
Pick Up Coil
Distributor Cap
Ignition Rotor
Spark Plugs and Wires

Any ideas would be appreciated!

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Your fuel pump is probably going out. Leave the key turned to "on" for 15 seconds and then try to start it.
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Welcome to CF!

I'm gonna bet on your fuel pressure regulator.

This is the test...

Originally Posted by tjwalker
The check valve is located on top of the gas tank and is part of the fuel pump assembly on 95.5-2001 vintage 4.0 XJs. When the check valve starts to fail, it reduces fuel pressure to a point where an extended crank is needed to start the engine. It is a very common failure. I experienced it on my 99 at around 75K.

A good (and simple) way to troubleshoot this problem is called “the poor mans prime”

1. Turn key to ON position (do not crank the engine!)
2. The fuel pump will energize and run for a couple of seconds
3. Turn key to OFF position
4. Repeat above a two more times
5. NOW crank the engine over

If the engine starts quickly and cleanly after performing this procedure, you may have the check valve issue. If it starts and runs poorly for a few seconds, it could also be a leaky fuel injector resulting in the bleed down and the stumble upon startup is the engine clearing the excess fuel that has leaked into the cylinder because of the faulty injector.

Also be aware that a bad battery can give you this symptom. Sounds strange but it definitely does happen. Have battery load tested if you have any questions; your XJ does NOT like low available battery voltage. Be sure battery connections and posts are CLEAN.

Some troubleshooting tips for extended crank times:

Hook up fuel pressure gauge on the schrader valve on the fuel rail

Start engine and bring to normal operating temperature.

Observe test gauge. Normal operating pressure should be 49.2 psi (plus or minus 5 psi)

Shut engine off.

Pressure should not fall below 30 psi for five minutes.

If pressure falls below 30 psi, it must be determined if a fuel injector, the check valve within the
fuel pump module, or a fuel tube/line is leaking. An adaptor tool/hose included with the fuel pressure gauge can help you with this. Consult gauge manual for more information on this but here is basically how it works:

*Turn the engine off and immediately clamp the fuel line at the adaptor hose. Watch the pressure gauge and see how long it takes to lose pressure.

*If the pressure remains at 49 psi for an extended period of time then the problem is in the tank - possibly the check valve. If the pressure falls below 49 psi fairly rapidly then the problem is probably a leaky fuel injector.

You can limp a check valve problem along indefinitely if you wish as it doesn't mean the fuel pump itself is going bad. Normally, the check valve is replaced as an entire assembly as you have to drop the gas tank to access the assembly. Fuel pump assembly consists of fuel pump, regulator, check valve, filter. If you do replace the fuel pump assembly, purchase a high quality OEM style unit. Some cheap aftermarket assemblies don’t hold up and fail prematurely.
This is how you replace it.
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It looks like this has everything that is in the tank.
http://www.quadratec.com/products/51305_0016.htm

Is that the only part I need to order and replace when I pull the tank?

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Originally Posted by 2doors
Your fuel pump is probably going out. Leave the key turned to "on" for 15 seconds and then try to start it.
did you try this?
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I have tried letting the pump prime before starting and I think it helps a little but it still takes a long time to fire up.

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I am having the same issue, I have replaced everything that you have, and then some.
I have a 99.
I have a set of injectors that I need to throw in.
I may try to knock that out tonight and see if that helps.
I will let you know if that helps.
Mine takes a few cranks to get started and idles rough almost every time on startup regardless of being hot or cold.
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What abou o2 sensors, any engine lights on?
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No enigine lights at all everything runs GREAT once it fires up it is just that long turn over time...

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This is what you need to do. not only once.

1. Turn key to ON position (do not crank the engine!)
2. The fuel pump will energize and run for a couple of seconds
3. Turn key to OFF position
4. Repeat above a two more times
5. NOW crank the engine over
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