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Old Oct 26, 2011 | 10:46 AM
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I also have a clunk I cant find when I hit big bumps... I think it might be my 35s hitting the fender but havent gotten flares yet so I cant cut them out :/
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Old Oct 26, 2011 | 11:13 AM
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Thank you. I wish you could send the others too. That angle doesn't really help much, but from what I can see there's no evidence of metal rubbing metal anywhere (see my pics below). What steering is that?

Comparing my setup with the pics I do see differences, but not enough to account for the odd ride quality. And I am inclined to agree with what someone said earlier that the swaybar should not affect ride quality like that. But it feels sometimes like I have no swaybar & that's why I'm concerned.

Below are some pics I just snapped. Yellow circles show where there is/was rubbing; yellow arrow shows the modified arm.

You can also see the coils have been rubbed in 1 pic; another shows how the disco is still angled backwards into the coils, but not touching now. It's time for questions, opinions. FrankZ I trust your judgement: why do you suppose the Jeep feels "floaty"? The clunk happens at initial movement after standing, and whenever the passenger side flexes downwards (like riding off-camber or washboard type trails).
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Old Oct 26, 2011 | 11:52 AM
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Sorry, forgot to add that I'm at 5.5 inches of lift right now. And it kinda sounds like a ball joint to me, but I could be wrong.
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Old Oct 26, 2011 | 11:54 AM
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its the rustys steering... (kinda old now) and it really helped mine out alot- sorry I cant get the other pictures right now

mine doesnt rub anywhere anymore (got out turned it both ways and and two buddies jump on the bumper) but it used to clank on the bolts/plate circled below and that made a terrible racket for a while




I blame it on what those guys did.. It would stop the rubbing on the coils if it was still mounted in the stock spot and you could adjust the length to get it right... you will probably have to get those old mounts put on :/

p.s. the "floaty" could be caused by your shocks.. mine was pretty bad till I changed from the skyjackers I had to the Rough Country 2.2s... made a huge difference... I want to throw some of the blistein resivors on nxt just to make it better...

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Old Oct 26, 2011 | 12:10 PM
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I have been considering the shocks, because I've had them for a several years. But they're very good shocks - Old Man Emu, not some el cheapo from Auto Zone. I can't find anyone with enough patience to help me really test the suspension (& bumpstopping) - who won't charge me shop rates for their time.

Wish some XJ guys lived near me .
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Old Oct 26, 2011 | 12:19 PM
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I hear you.. the best shocks I have ever felt are in my buddies but they require alot of work and $$$.. they are fox and the back ones come up through the floor and are mounted to a tube frame he made in the back... The front mount to a Tube frame that encircles the engine/is attached to the bumper... All I know is you can jump that thing and it feels wonderfull
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Old Oct 26, 2011 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by _StationWagon_
So far all the sway bars seem to point upwards at a slight angle & all discos are stright up & down, so I'll take that as the norm. I think my poly bushings are due for changing. They've been on there for over 6 years and I see some gaps. Also I just had all the LCA bushings done & as soon as the money comes along the UCAs will be done as well.

Still, there's a clunk that I've been chasing for over a year (never said anything before) & the XJ feels floaty like it's on water. My discos are angled backwards & adjusting them puts them into the coils. I have no bump steer & no death wobble but it should ride better than this.
Again, what makes you it being floaty like its on water makes you think it's your swaybar or discos?

What kind of arms are you running for lift and more specifically: do you know what your current caster is set at? Too little caster (upper and lower balljoint closer to same vertical plane) can cause real shifty flightiness on the highway. If you rotate the top of axle back just slightly (not so much as to negatively effect your driveline angle) you can add caster and also rotate the coils away from the staticly positioned swaybar links. Make sense?
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Old Oct 26, 2011 | 03:02 PM
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well one more came through.. thats my steering.. lol


Still not the ones you asked for...
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Old Oct 26, 2011 | 03:26 PM
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replied within your post
Originally Posted by DeftwillP
Again, what makes you it being floaty like its on water makes you think it's your swaybar or discos?
I guess because like I mentioned, it sometimes feels like I have no sway bar. I figured if it feels this way then there might be something off with those components. I'll be happy to be proven wrong. Just want to find the problem.

What kind of arms are you running for lift (JKS adjustable uppers/lowers) and more specifically: do you know what your current caster is set at? (Don't remember. I'll have it checked)Too little caster (upper and lower balljoint closer to same vertical plane) can cause real shifty flightiness on the highway. If you rotate the top of axle back just slightly (not so much as to negatively effect your driveline angle) you can add caster and also rotate the coils away from the staticly positioned swaybar links. Make sense? (Now I'm really confused!)
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Old Oct 26, 2011 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Ianf406
I also have a clunk I cant find when I hit big bumps... I think it might be my 35s hitting the fender but havent gotten flares yet so I cant cut them out :/

I got the same clunk!!! Only when hitting big square edge bumps and it comes from the drivers side. I have a brand new iro long arm too
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Old Oct 26, 2011 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by brookhart63
Well the simple fix to me sounds like putting a new stock arm thing on and lowering your discos. Or you could just ditch the sways.

Just my 2 cents..the POwner broke both of them some how?...idk....but really Ive been driving for 6 months now on/off road..highway every where every place..Can honestly say that one day here soon, Im gonna cut out all of that and never look bad.

A jeep with the proper set up will NEVER need sway bars...
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Old Oct 26, 2011 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Zacks98

Just my 2 cents..the POwner broke both of them some how?...idk....but really Ive been driving for 6 months now on/off road..highway every where every place..Can honestly say that one day here soon, Im gonna cut out all of that and never look bad.

A jeep with the proper set up will NEVER need sway bars...
How will the setup of a jeep, proper or not, prevent you from needing to take evasive measures should someone sway in front of you or slam on their brakes? To say NEVER in this instance seems.....over generalizing. Sure, plenty of people cut them off and don't look back but that doesn't mean they don't come in handy.
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Old Oct 26, 2011 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DeftwillP

How will the setup of a jeep, proper or not, prevent you from needing to take evasive measures should someone sway in front of you or slam on their brakes? To say NEVER in this instance seems.....over generalizing. Sure, plenty of people cut them off and don't look back but that doesn't mean they don't come in handy.
With the proper set, they never will. Which is what I said and meant. I didn't say they didn't come in handy...Just if your babys set up right, 100% right and prefect, having one doesn't really matter.

Again..I don't have one.
Today doing 45, someone had 2x4's fall off of their trailer, I've swerved into the next lane. I had no problems. I'm just saying, I'm not fight with you on it. To each there own.

Here proof I don't have one and its broken. (Idk if it up loaded or not) haha
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Old Oct 26, 2011 | 07:05 PM
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Let's hope it works this time. Lol & again I'm not saying there not a good thing to have..I'm just saying, if the one you've got don't work, life moves on..its not a big deal.
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Old Oct 27, 2011 | 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Zacks98
Let's hope it works this time. Lol & again I'm not saying there not a good thing to have..I'm just saying, if the one you've got don't work, life moves on..its not a big deal.
Perhaps I see what you're trying to say but I still don't agree. I have ran both ways, and with a sway bar is a lot nicer on the road. I run pretty stiff coils and I was still getting a lot of body roll going around corners with my sway bar out. With you being stock, that's a whole different story. The OP asked for lifts of 5.5-7.5, therefore everyone, well almost, that replied on this thread is somewhere in that range, and therefore a lot more top heavy than a stock XJ. That being said, a sway bar comes in play a lot more at that height.
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