Originally Posted by holycaveman

Also alignment, lift, and tire size, type, and balance.

A lot of different factors.

Originally Posted by holycaveman

No problem. I am one guy with one opinion.

I understand physics. 1.5in is not that big of a lever. 8in on the other hand is.

Honestly if i got wheel hop on hills, or serious axle wrap, or basically anything negative. I would ditch the blocks in a heart beat. Working for a 4wd suspension shop/mod shop, I can get springs cheap. That is not the issue. And I certainly would not want anything I would have to think about on the trail. I don't want to have to worry one bit!!

I have 170 acres to wheel on at my work. And I am single. So I am lucky enough to be able to wheel and mess around a few days a weak.



Again I am not saying anything is better than the other. But you can do some fun wheeling, and a lot of it safely and with good flex using stock springs and short blocks. OME lifts and others are great. But if you want that stock ride with great performance. Don't look past good stock springs. That is all.

Originally Posted by N20jeep

Tires size and lift height dont cause deathwobble.

Originally Posted by holycaveman

You know if I went around posting up every time I disagreed with someone, it would be a full time job.

I get paid to fix DW.

I don't get paid to argue about it.

Originally Posted by holycaveman

You know if I went around posting up every time I disagreed with someone, it would be a full time job.

I get paid to fix DW.

I don't get paid to argue about it.

Originally Posted by N20jeep

cool, you get paid to occasionally work on 4wd vehicles in your repair shop.


i get paid to build custom suspensions and work on jeeps all day everyday of the week, in my Jeep only garage.

blaming tires and lift is a scapegoat. its not the underlying problem. they may set off the DW, but are not the cause.

Originally Posted by holycaveman

Lets leave it at that.

And no I have two full time jobs. I have my own shop mainly atv and motorcycle mixed in with transmissions and everything else.

I work for one of the largest 4x4 shops in Ohio as a mechanic full time. Does not mean I am the know it all. But it does mean I have seen a few things.

Originally Posted by N20jeep

your rear suspension does not seem to be working .

Originally Posted by holycaveman

I just installed a set of OME leafs right before that ride

Originally Posted by N20jeep

learn how to properly diagnose DW, the lift and tires brought an already existing problem to the surface. Tire size does not mean deathwobble. especially when i can make a jeep with 42" Bias tires or rigs with a MUCH taller ride height drive just fine down the street.

Originally Posted by holycaveman

Certainly. Could be ball joints, control arm bushings, track bar bushings, bad tire, loose steering joints, wheel bearings, steering box and a host of other things.

Some times tire size modifies the existing problem. Sometimes lift modifies the problem. But if it modifies, its not doing the problem good, in fact its contributing.


The real problem is the design of the xj and jk's especially. We get those things in with 30000 miles and DW with no lift and factory tires.

Usually bad ball joints. Did one yesterday. Replaced the ball joints, then new 35" toyos. No more DW, but a hint of it is still there.

Everything is tight. 42,000 miles. Like new never off the pavement.

Not all vehicles are the same either. But its a common design problem with jeep. Inherent from the factory. Then as time and wear goes on, it snowballs into DW.

Originally Posted by N20jeep

thats my point, the tires may bring the DW to the surface but are in no way the cause.