Havent had a chance to messure yet, yard wok and honey do list will try to get into garage tomarrow

yea those arent stock coil springs look like you have a old rustys offroad 3" lift http://www.rustysoffroad.com/jeep-su...-leaf-kit.html

Well I guess its not sagging front is 9 3/4" and rear is 9"
Thanks all

good deal

Rough country shocks on the way

Easiest way to tell, look at the angle of the lower control arms. No lift, they are almost parallel to the ground. any short arm lift and they will be more angled.