F1Addict

Well, some folks love to be insulted. It's just a discussion of design and concept, don't take it personally

peep

My perspective is all other designers of suv's rip off the XJ's good lookin roots, their marketing departments know what the buyer wants to see. Hence all suv's since are animitation, (be it a poor one), the most sincere form of flattery.
The XJ died with honour before being sold into slavery like the hummer. The Peep XJ is rollin 556000+ Km.
Hummer?

Phat jeep

About 6 inches of lift and only 35s ! Even a stock XJ has more ground clearance than that H3 with all those bits of metal hanging down

emptypockets

x2

I shake my fist at all of you... cause that's what old folks do.

askingxforxit

You guys are forgetting that the humvee was designed to replace the old jeeps in military service. You can see where AM General got its design basis from Jeeps. We all know that for true hardcore offroading that a humvee is just too large and bulky. It was not designed for rock crawling or aggressive trails. It was made to be a combat vehicle. The new hummers exist because of the popularity of the hummer on the civilian market thanks to Arnold Schwarzenegger.

F1Addict

Easy there old timer, don't want anybody having an "episode"

But I'm not forgetting. AM General and ultimately, Hummer/GM can trace their design and engineering lineage back to Jeep which makes my question all the more salient, I think.

Cnwxj

X2

helmut

There is absolutaly no connection beetwen the two. They are squared have 4 doors and a hatch and four wheels. So I guess every Suv that has no rounded corners would be based on an xj if you think about it that way. If that is the logic behind this then the Land Rover LR3 is what the xj became, the Ford explorer is what the xj became I guess. Both those are more similar and at least they can kind of go somwhere.

helmut

This is not a Humvee and back than the xj's didnt exist. Also only the car that Arnold help put on the street is teh original Humvee, not the Hummer h2 or h3, which are just Tahoes for show offs and rapper wanabees that can barely make it over the curb.

VTJeep

Right. It's not a H1. It's an H3. But how does that change that they LOOK SIMILAR...? Not every square cornered suv looks the same. But try telling me the ford escape and the jeep GC don't look similar? That is a comparison between those two specific vehicles. Just like this was a comparison between the H3 and XJ, nothing more.. Y'all are gettin way too agro...

XJJeff

Yes I still see the Cherokee as the Commander if I absolutely had to pick one. I would get a commander with the optional Danna 44 rear end and do a solid axle swap in the front with the 3.0 CRD motor.

xj_maniac_newb

Thats too much work, for that money i'd just get a used cummins...

And FWIW, The xj developed from the full size Cherokee, that they even made in 2 door models... Just as the GC developed from the Grand Wagoneer.

helmut

Yes I admit that this is getting a bit too heated. I just think that comparing an XJ to an h3 rubs people (me included) the wrong way. If I really had to pick which Suv would be most likely the new XJ I would say the Commander because its a Jeep with 4 doors and its squared and kind of rugged looking. Also the Nissan Xterra would probably be a better candidate for that comparison then the H3. And I am sorry but in my opinion comparing a Humvee to h2 or h3 is why this Suv failed in the first place. People baught it to say they have a Hummer and they were laughed at by anybody who knows anything about cars. Its a Tahoe for people with bad taste. SNL said it best "Hummer went out of business, oh , so now you are going to have to walk door to door to let people know that you are an ahole" hehehe

VTJeep

Ha! I miss the old SNL.. Used to be so much funnier...
Agreed on the Tahoe+bad tastes =(h2+h3) gotta love real world math!

no rdplz

I can see some cosmetic similarities, but that could also be said of early 90's exsploders, land rover's, etc. They were all 4-door bricks then that copied off the XJ's small SUV style. The grand cherokee (zj) was supposed to be the xj's replacement, but xj sales were good so Jeep made them both. Personally, i'm in the group that believes my XJ is one a dead breed.

As for all you guys saying the h2 and h3 are based on the tahoe, you're half right. The h2 was built on the tahoe/yukon platform while the h3 was built on the colorado/canyon platform.